When doing nothing is not an option.
I’ve heard members of BLM speak about these very same problems. There was limited criticism of Obama for not doing enough, although you’re right that most of the criticism is aimed not at him but at other politics aland the “white” political status quo. But the people I’ve heard speak weren’t up there chanting “white people suck” or anything like that, in fact they were very careful to not bend to that side and start throwing racist remarks against whites. I remember being surprised because BLM has this media image of being racist against whites, the stuff you’re saying, when what I heard from them directly was literally statements like “we aren’t here to attack or demonize white people, this isn’t about that”. They want institutional change and they want public awareness, mostly among white people, to raise up. Black people are far more aware of these deep racial inequalities in society, it isn’t as much a problem of raising their consciousness level as of raising it for white people.
As one of the leaders of BLM said after they blocked off a highway and then marched on an airport with the intent of blocking the entrance and closing down the airport, they can say all they want but no one really starts to pay attention until they begin to disrupt the flow of capital. This is what true peaceful protest and Revolution is about. You need to find ways of forcing complacent people to react and think about the issues, because otherwise they will just walk right by in their fantasy la la land like Turd here and never give it a second thought.
Obama hasn’t done enough, or spoken out enough, but look at what happens when he does: after the Trayvon murder Obama went on TV and talked about how black parents have “the talk” with their sons about what to do and not do when a white police officer confronts them; this is true that black parents have this talk with their sons, but when Obama says it then idiots like Turd and all the white ignorant talk radio audience out there start calling Obama racist against whites and say he’s “fueling the fire for political gain”. No, he was pointing out a truth, and an uncomfortable truth, but of course he was simply demonized for doing so.
And literally the racial situation does get worse when Obama or others bring this stuff up. Why? It isn’t because what they’re saying isn’t true, it’s because ignorant white talk radio listeners don’t like what they’re saying. It doesn’t matter that it’s true, they can’t believe it and they react disproportionately. Obama knows this, he knows he needs to measure his responses because if he gets up there and just says it like it is, millions of white ignorant crypto-racists will rise up in the streets in anger.
What do you want out of BLM? Do you realize the kind of situation black Americans are faced with every day, how public perception and sentiment and white ignorance and institutional bias and reactive hateful talk radio, how all of this affects someone who is black in America today? Hell it affects white people too, it makes them self-conscious around black people, they want to empathize and show support but don’t know how. And the uneducated ignorant people just get angrier and angrier.
And UPF in addition, BLM leaders have been careful to clearly say that they know most white people aren’t racists, but that there is a lack of awareness among many white people. This lack of awareness is the problem. Don’t you realize how careful BLM needs to be, they have to always cautiously thread the needle with speaking truth to power; because if they go even a tiny half-step over the line then their entire message is lost because of people reacting in exactly the way you’re reacting to them.
This kind of reaction itself is a perfect example of institutional racism in action; the fact that BLM despite being a group with the mission to resist systematic oppression of black people by a majority white system, can’t even openly state the truth without risking the vehement reaction of that system shutting them down.
Or you can look to the NAACP, one of whose leaders went on TV (after some of Trump’s racist comments) and said that he knows most white people aren’t racist just because they’re voting for Trump, he knows that these people are just scared and economically anxious, and that there is a lack of awareness and education on their part to what black Americans and other minorities such as immigrants go through. I mean, talk about taking the moral high ground.
I hope justice prevails this time.
The 60’s apparently was devoid of it.
Yes, and both are private companies / corporations and have been dominating the states, the governments, and all people of the US since 1913 (at the latest). These and other globalists are the real rulers and thus most responsible for all the wars and other catastrophes (including the demographic and economic ones), thus also for the fact that the middle class has almost vanished in the US - the globalists become richer and richer and all the other 99% become poorer and poorer.
The thing about justice is that it needs to be made visible for it to occur.
Directly comparable to you blaming McCain for the previous shooting. Funny how you recognize ‘asinine and low’ when Republicans do it. I suppose the only question is if you have the self-awareness to keep your blatant hypocrisy into separate threads, or if you’ll actually blame some Republican for this shooting even as you weep about somebody blaming Obama.
Of course they are targeted disproportionately by the police. The commit disproportionately more of the crime. Blacks are much more likely to murder people of other races, to murder cops, and to murder each other than any other race in the U.S. In fact, black police officers are more likely to shoot at black people than white police officers are.
Blacks only seem to be disproportionately targeted if you completely ignore how much crime they commit.
Once again, liberals simply don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, or they do, but they lie and twist statistics to create scenarios that aren’t real. This certainly doesn’t help race relations.
Uccisore:
Of course they are targeted disproportionately by the police. The commit disproportionately more of the crime. Blacks are much more likely to murder people of other races, to murder cops, and to murder each other than any other race in the U.S. In fact, black police officers are more likely to shoot at black people than white police officers are.
Blacks only seem to be disproportionately targeted if you completely ignore how much crime they commit.
K: sources please!!! show us you actually know what you are talking about.
Kropotkin
Institutional racism is real.
Like how we have all been taught in school that Dindus are on average more dangerous than Europeans and one better be careful when dealing with them.
Or how there are quotas to keep them out of colleges.
Or when they have a peaceful gentle giants protest where they help secure the local shop-owners from vandalising Neo-Nazi gangs. And what do they get in return? The media spins it like they had no right to their peaceful protest. The media is always attacking them for minor things. If it wasn’t for brave liberals, who would defend them from those right wing bullies?
And we all know what happened the last time Dindus were shot at one of the protests. The media spun it like it’s only fair game because of their ‘violent nature’.
Some apologists say this institutional racism is invisible and can’t be pointed out, I say bullshit. It’s everywhere, on TV, in the magazines, Hollywood, schools, laws, quotas, you name it.
These figures are extremely easy to get. Are you saying you’ve never heard this stuff before, or are you asking me to give sources hoping that I won’t so you can discredit me? Either way,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ … s#Homicide
bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
newsweek.com/who-kills-polic … ers-315701
researchgate.net/publicatio … fficers%27
I’m curious which one of the things I said are new to you, such that you needed citations?
What’s the correlation between crime and gender or crime and poverty?
You are absolutely right.
Liberalism seems to be a typically occidental disease, at least a kind of dementia of the occidental culture.
For fuck’s sake, there needs to be gun laws in the country, how long is America going to cling to the wild west mentality.
nationalism and imperialism will always bring about illusions
there is no such a thing as a “group, race, culture, clique,clan,etc”, all the schisms it has created, 4000 years of much of the same… yet man still dreams of the impossible.
right…
The Pentagon wants at least $12 billion to fund AI weapon technology in 2017 (internet headline)
ps: I do not owe any gun
It is ok to have gun laws meanwhile the gov can have WMDs??
But since the globalism has become the winner, the nationalism is out and thus not as dangerous anymore as it once was. Globalism is far more dangerous than nationalism.
“Make America strong” means “make the globalists richer and thus more powerful” (the globalists are not “Americans” but merely globalists).
No, it’s about far more than simply declaring “more crime = more policing”, that is the kind of naive simplistic view that wants to deliberately ignore 1) why are more crimes being committed, and 2) what is the perception of black people by white people, and by police? We have laws against stereotyping for a reason, because it’s stupid to use group-membership as a guiding factor to determine who is going to commit a crime or not. Stereotype people of a certain appearance and you’re letting plenty of criminals through the cracks that don’t look exactly like your preconceived notion says. And I’m guessing you never took a statistics class, because you don’t understand that simply because a large sample identifies a trend doesn’t mean you can know anything before the fact about individual instances within that larger group; if you take 1000 people and say they have a statistically significant higher rate of liking swimming than the average person, to use an example, that doesn’t translate into an ability to point to an individual within that group and say that they like swimming. It’s a subtle point that I know goes over your head.
Policing involves identifying high crime areas, not identifying skin color. The fact that poor urban areas have more black people is simply another obvious fact of institutional racism in America, as I’ve pointed out through many links to statistics ranging from far-lower overall wealth owned by black people compared to whites to the fact that a black person is far more likely to be sent to prison for the same crime than is a white person. Do you ever ask why race is a statistical predictor of outcomes? No, because that would force you to start asking tough questions.
I’ll break it down for you: being a member of a group “black person” or “poor” or “uneducated” or “lives in X urban area” are all predictors of more negative outcomes. The group itself represents a cluster of additional factors and reasons why membership in said group can be a statistical predictor like that; so we have two points that must be addressed: 1) why is being black one of those groups in America 2016? And 2) regardless of an individual person being a member of any such group, including racial groups, it is wrong to judge them first by that group status and only second or not at all by who they are as an individual.
These two points are never going to be acknowledged by a single “conservative”, because of the increased sophistication of the thinking and valuing required to comprehend them. Stereotyping people as a primary method of policing isn’t only morally wrong but also inefficient, leading to skewed perspectives and incorrectly biased judgments of “he/she must be doing x, y z because they are of such and such a group”, when in reality one needs to identify specific situational and individual markers that actually relate to that x, y, z.
Not only is it an irrational violation of a person’s human right to dignity, freedom and presumption of innocence but it’s also not even accurate.
lamberthconsulting.com/racia … esnt-work/
ohrc.on.ca/en/paying-price-h … oesnt-work
civilliberty.about.com/od/lawenf … filing.htm
Go ahead and try to educate yourself. There are proven strategies police can use to identify criminal behavior and racial profiling isn’t one of them. This has been proven beyond doubt due since it had been held up in court lawsuits against use of profiling, which doesn’t result in more effective policing.
But it’s a common fallacy of thinking that “people in group A commit more crimes” equals “police should naturally arrest/search people from group A more frequently as general policy”. When they try that it doesn’t work. The crime stats correlate to location and socioeconomic status and, as I pointed out, disproportionate numbers of minorities are living in high crime, low SES areas (urban or rural). Now would you even want to touch that issue? Nope, your kind won’t go anywhere near it without revealing the absurd banalities and stupidity of thinking that characterizes your view. Because the reason for racial inequalities is that the entire system is implicitly working against certain races and not against others, from policing to hiring to courts to doctors offices to insurance policies to memes in the media. This has been demonstrated many times and isn’t even a question anymore.
kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/wp-conte … t-bias.pdf
nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NE … rentIssue&
thinkprogress.org/health/2015/08 … icit-bias/
americanbar.org/content/dam/ … eckdam.pdf
Not to mention that in America, not that long ago, black people were mass enslaved in chains to white masters. As late as 1865 there was chattel slavery, which means that there are black people alive today whose grandfathers were alive while black people were kept as property to whites. Just stop and think about that: there are black people alive right now whose grandparents has been alive when slavery was still around. It really hasn’t been that long since then.
And you expect equal outcomes from people in such s situation so little a time ago? The fact that black people have done as well as they have is truly remarkable considering the factors against them. The system deserves credit where it has worked and fought for equality and reparation of past ills, but also deserves blame where it has in the past and still does prescribe unequal outcomes for people based solely on group membership. It is irrational for a supposedly free, sane, moral and advanced society to function wherein being born black vs white statistically can predict outcomes over large numbers of people, and yet in America it does. This is the problem that needs to be fixed; but again you and your kind have no interest in seeing reality, you merely want to scapegoat people for the sake of your own ignorance and ego.
Wyld, how do you propose we move forward on the issue and start being strengths focused rather than deficit focused.