K: the speeches theory is just a deflection from the real problem…
What do you think is more important???
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I: In my view, the fundamental problem lies precisely in the relationship between Goldman Sachs, the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bushes and the Bilderberg agenda. With respect to economic policy and foreign policy, Wall Street and K Street make a mockery of representative democracy. Money doesn’t talk here, it screams. And it screams bloody hell whenever its interest are threatened.
K: I agree and I have railed against money in politics for a long time now…
I: By folks like, say, Bernie Sanders.
K: as I have noted before, I voted for Bernie in my primary.
I: So the crucial question for folks like me, is the extent to which Trump is or is not himself thoroughly integrated into the ruling class here in America. And that revolves around the political machinations inherently embedded in crony capitalism. Is he really intent on dismantling this…
K: Herr Trumpfs only allegiance and only love is himself and money and that is it…
He couldn’t give a shit about our political system unless it affects his money
making operations…
I: On the other hand, I also recognize that my views are but one more political prejudice rooted in dasein, conflicting goods and political economy. That, in other words, all of our profoundly problematic and subjective opinions here are basically just existential fabrications/contraptions.
Something that I suspect folks like you and uccisore do not give much thought to.
K: I never reveal my full views when posting. I keep things hidden and out of sight
unless I need to bring them into an argument… I save things for later arguments
which quite often don’t occur…
I: Unless, of course, you would be willing to explore that with me.
K: sure, where would you like to go?
I: My own frame of mind [here and now] is more or less oriented in the direction of folks like Sanders and OWS. I am not a socialist. I see “state capitalism” as basically the best of all possible worlds. And I see that as a glum commentary on the “human condition”. The least dysfunctional social, political and economic interactions seem to be reflected in moderation, negotiation and compromise. Democracy, the rule of law and the parts that [among others] Marx speculated about.
But it is what it is. Historically. Organically. Here and now.
K: Despite contrary opinions, my views are quite mainstream and well within the pale…
as I stated I voted for Bernie…I am rather less enamored with capitalism than you
appear to be…my views stem from certain basic principles
One: I believe in majority rules. 50% plus one should dictate our laws and
not only politically but economically…a dictatorship is a dictatorship be
it politically or economically. I believe we might be, might be, in a political
democracy where the majority rules, but economically we are being held
prisoner no less than if we are being ruled by kings or tyrants or dictators.
The wealthy have the same power as if they were dictators of a banana republic,
absolute and complete. To be a free and complete society, we must end this
economic dictatorship over us…
- I believe that we fall into the trap that a system once set in place, must
stay in place as it was when it was set in place… all ideologies must change,
adapt, and move as situations dictate. Capitalism works in certain conditions and
then it doesn’t work and we must adapt… it did work and now it doesn’t and we must
adapt and change to the new conditions. I believe in changing our society and our
laws and our basic systems to adapt to new conditions and we haven’t changed,
and we haven’t adapted to the new current conditions. I live in California and
earthquakes are a problem… what causes an earthquake? the land slides
along each other and no problem, it is when the land becomes stuck in place
while trying to move. The earthquake is when the land suddenly becomes unstuck
and moves suddenly and at a distance. This illustrates what happens in society,
when it can flow and slide, it works and nothing, but when it becomes stuck and in
place when the pressure becomes greater and greater for it to flow. the earthquake is
the French revolution and the Russian revolution and the Arab spring and every time
you have a “sudden” revolution or something like that… It becomes stuck and in place.
the “it” is society and the law and the political systems and the economics.
we are now stuck and in place and the forces trying to move it are growing,
thus we have Bernie and Herr Trumpf trying to move the system…They failed
and the system is now under even greater pressure… The earthquake is coming,
because the system, the ideology failed to move, to adapt, to change to the changing
conditions…How the earthquake will strike, I have no idea, but it is acoming.
that much I can say…
I: It’s just that [again] I recognize my own opinions to be but the embodiment of dasein, conflicting goods and political economy.
Rather than as a self-righteous authoritarian agenda rooted in one or another rendition of moral and political objectivism.
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K: so feel free to express how dasein, being, and conflicting good, and political economy
and I must add, conflicting values, work together?
Kropotkin
