What will replace capitalism?

Yesterday I came across an interesting video:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg[/youtube]

I feel it is worth serious discussion, therefore I want to ask the following questions:

The first question is : Are there self-contradictions in capitalism?

The second question: If there are self-contradictions, then will capitalism collapse due to those self-contradictions?

The third question: What will be the next system if capitalism collapse? Will it be social democracy, a system similar to the Swedish system?

Or, if you consider capitalism good, then should we defend it?

Capitalism comes the closest to nature, in that it best reflects the impulsive desires of man.

What replaces it is gulag or extinction.

I do not agree with you. what evidence do you have that can support your claim?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao%27s_Great_Famine

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qey_Shibir

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavism

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_A … Border_War

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Crisis

I can go on if you wish.

Oh, Come on, please do not put up those antiquated red-scare cliché.

Those are tragedies that showed us what solutions to capitalism can not work, but those tragedies are not evidence that we can not go beyond capitalism.

No one says you can’t go beyond it.

Gulag and extinction are the other two choices.

This is clearly what you desire. I haven’t a clue why you think recreating mass genocides based off progressive idealism is a good thing. They all made it sound so damn positive at first, laughing and heckling…

Then came the blood.

No thank you.

And Sweden is more capitalistic and conservative in it’s business structure than most nations, they tax the people, hardly the business.

I’m sure your going to fucking amaze me with some French Marxist quotes from the 80s and 90s and and an arc of terrorism manifestos to prove me wring however. I will act surprised. Lenin wasn’t that bad of a guy, was he? Just misunderstood?

Yeah… load the meat wagons. Gulags or Extinction. I can’t wait to see what this dreamer has planned for the people, you undoubtedly worked all the genocidal tendencies in your system and promise only to murder those who have it coming or get in the way.

At least Joker is honest about his desire to kill and maim.

Please allow me to point it out: the examples you listed has one thing in common, they are all negative things committed by governments or political entities unfriendly to the American status quo. In your logic, if those infamous tragedies are all committed by anti-American political entities, then you can successfully establish the legitimacy of the American way, that is capitalism.
But it there any tragedies committed by the American establishment? Of course, just some examples, the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the rise of ISIS…

Those examples you provided can demonstrate what solutions to capitalism cannot work, but those examples are not evidence that we cannot go beyond capitalism, you understand there is a difference.

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And Sweden is more capitalistic and conservative in it’s business structure than most nations, they tax the people, hardly the business.
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Your ignorant comments make me ask you some questions: How much do you know about French Neo-left?
How much do you know about European Socialism? How much do you know about capitalism? How much do you know about Sweden?

A hell of a fuck more than you.

Prove my statement about Sweden wrong.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umiljrgv66w[/youtube]

No, not maternity leave videos.

I’m going to bed, you got till I wake up tonight to prove that Sweden isn’t a strongly capitalistic society, more capitalistic than the US. As I stated before, they have a low corporate tax, but tax people a lot.

Finland is the commie state, not Sweden. And even Finland has capitalist enterprises. Well, had. Nokia kinda, mutated and almost died. But they make a lot of orange scissors and cheese graters.

I pay a lot of attention to the Nordic countries. Arctic countries in general, lived in Alaska for a long time, similar. Sweden even married their princess to an American Banker. Maternity leave doesn’t make or break a capitalist system. All the Nordic countries incorporated trade unions into their system of government in the early 20th century. It is similar to the Union States in the US, your stuck involuntarily in the union. Why? Cause the country says so. Half of capitalist America us still trapped in that system… and both societies are declining under it. Doesn’t work very well, not sustainable when trades mutate and company headquarters flee the country, like Ikea did (no longer Swedish, it is Dutch now, just like Burger King fled California for Canada, they have a more capitalist tax structure, allows for business planning and growth.)

8ish hours, try to impress me. Do your research.

In Sweden, tax is a lot more heavy than many countries, the top 10% pay especially more than many countries on earth, then the government use this tax money to fund social programs. Formally speaking the Swedish system is a form of social democracy, it seeks to reduce the two extremes of poor and rich caused by the pure capitalist system, it also use many other policies to regulate the capitalist system and to promote a more representative democracy and a more egalitarian society.

For more information, you can check this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

The whole process seems idiotic.

Make a lot of money so you can attract a conservative gold-digger wife who rarely has sex with you.
She has a baby, the baby whines 24/7 and keeps you awake at night.
Both of you are too busy to take care of the baby, so it just goes to daycare.
It is stuck in school, for 9 hours chained to a desk where it is not allowed to speak.
During this time it is bullied, rejected, and exposed to all sorts of negative, angsty, depressing things.
Then it is taught to go do a 9 to 5 job, to make more money, so it can attract a conservative gold-digger wife
who will rarely have sex with it, to make more babies.
More babies are born, who work like a slave their whole lives, to make more babies, who work like a slave their whole lives.

So, you basically agree that the Marxist-Communist systems don’t work.

Technological or technocratic international oligarchic tyranny where the few enslaves the world with robotic armies under a global singular umbrella government organization.

Oh sure, we’ll have to knock out over half the world’s population with a new world war of course.

The global death toll will be numerous and perhaps uncountable. Labor will finally be abolished due to it becoming obsolete. All the workers of the world will unite in their obsoleteness as they’re firmly removed from the world altogether in piles of countless dead bodies.

Progress enriching the few at the greater majority’s expense sacrifices need to be made.

Here’s looking to the bright and great future of humanity! :laughing: :stuck_out_tongue:

…I see a great future in the horizon… :laughing:

You failed to prove it.

Capitalism exists within states, or between them, and has always had to deal with taxation of some form. Capitalism is capitalism be it libertarian or so called social democracies.

Paying military and for roads, which is essentially what many hard core conservatives only want to be taxed on, is still a form of socialism. Your providing security and public transportation for people.

Sweden is more capitalistic, in that they have wholeheartedly embraced capitalism in a way a western liberal, especially an American liberal, never ever could. Corporations ate lowly taxed so as to attract them and provide jobs. They go out of their way to encourage patents on anything (only natural resources the country has is fish, timber, and boxite, so it tries to make resources out of thin air).

This is something we would never in America for example, in so called liberal states. They follow the opposite ideology. Tax business, reduce jobs, kill the economy.

Swedes have issues too, they provide on paper low tax rates, but have way too much regulation, and it is hard to deal with unions that are entrenched in law. It is always risky business doing business in a Nordic country for that reason. Why there isn’t a rush for starting businesses, despite a highly skilled and educated workforce, and quick sea, air and train access to very rich parts of Europe. Stuff they make isn’t do sophisticated that other, poorer third world countries can make in a decade or two. So Socialism is in a terminal decline. Even prior to the Arab Spring refugee flux, they started having bad homeless issues.

How that doesn’t qualify them as being capitalist, is beyond me. They play the markets like anyone else, have businesses and stocks… I’m at a lost as to what makes them so special. They don’t look too special when you eye their economic workings up close. Like I said, Finland is the commie state (and even they use capitalism) not Sweden.

No word on the evolution of crony capitalism by Turd or any capitalist whatsoever.

I always like it when bullshit libertarians speak about how capitalism is suppose to make everybody more free.

Not a libertarian. A libertarian wouldn’t inform Smears that a judge should castrate him.

I know Crony Anarchism Nihilism exists. Is that similar?

The Lennist system we see in the former USSR will not work, that is of no doubt.

But because the Soviet system failed you can not say “therefore Marx is totally wrong”, it is against human logic to say “because one of Marx’s solution is wrong therefore his analysis of capitalism is wrong”.

It just means we simply need to find another solution that works.