The one who said that seems to make money (thus: to get recognition and power) out of that politically correct text or/and to suffer from the Stockholm syndrome.
Another politically correct text with the following question as its title: “Why are there high rape crimes in Sweden, Norway and Denmark compared to the rest of the world?”.
One of the politically incorrect and thus forbidden questions is: “Why are Vikings no longer allowed to be Vikings?”.
Yes, blame the women! First, one should have compared the cost of raising a family in the Middle East vs places like UK. The costs are higher in UK, and society is largely individualistic and based on materialism. If you know that you can’t provide a proper environment for the family and support it, then don’t have one! Period. The attitude, “let God provide” is really just negligence, in my view. And then you get messed up kids go around hacking everyone with an axe because they don’t feel like part of it and don’t know where they belong. If you know that society you’re moving into is materialistic then either don’t move there, or adjust your attitude/lifestyle accordingly.
Secondly, Muslim women in Europe are isolated and don’t have the necessary social support (extended family members) that they would have had back home. The Muslim woman’s power and influence lay in the social family sphere, and not you’d take that away from her. And this only worsens the situation, because not only you don’t have enough money, you’re in a foreign culture and have no one to talk to, or reach out to (which opens the door to other social ills like domestic violence). I don’t’ know what’s going on through these men’s minds, but you can’t just move across the world into a completely different society and expect that things will work out the same way. The men are following their religious ideals and drag their women behind them, like a dog on a leash thinking they will adjust and make everything work out somehow. I don’t think they even consider the needs of their women, which are probably not much at this point and quite reasonable in my opinion, but the denial of which, over time, will only back fire on these men, as well as European Islamic culture as a whole, as women will begin to turn away from it. And men, not seeing their own mistake, or being blind to the reality of the situation they put themselves and their women into, will only blame women or the modern society for it.
It has absolutely nothing to do with raising a family in the middle east or UK, the location is irrelevant to the context of minimalism. What should be provided for is basic food, water, shelter,clothing and exceptional things for educational purposes. The concept can apply everywhere, Islam is a world religion.
I understand what you’re saying in terms of the standards of cost, but that does not automatically equate to materialism nor does it negate the optional choices you have in choosing the cheapest route.
They can, they work, have money, even some of them having their own businesses, to which they can adequately provided for their family in the context of minimalism according to the religion 
Only the women are not accepting this standard as they simply want more… it isn’t about providing adequately, it’s about fortune, greed, living lavishly and shopping culture. Which is forbidden. Get past it.
All the muslims that I know are all born here and raised here. Your argument fails, you make the assumption that all who are here should just automatically accept a materialistic standard, even non religious people protest regularly that the prices are too high for things… Why should anybody just accept these absurd costs for things. No, there must be a response.
Yeah nice little subtle threats there, basically if men do not provide for the disgusting parasitical greed that women have, trying to turn men into nothing but a resourceful utility to provide for every whim and desire on a material level, despite it going against the actually religion they claim to be apart of, then what? ooo they will turn away and drop out, Good, DO IT!..Stay away from the religion!
You are placing your family into a materialistic society with which it will always have contact with. You may influence your children, or grandchildren, but can you protect your following generations from being affected by materialism? No, you can’t. Somewhere down the line there is going to be a conflict, and one will have to give way.
Right, but it doesn’t change the fact that you’d still be inside a materialistic society - a part of it. If you deny it, you’d be living in a secluded fantasy world.
Are you sure it’s forbidden? Because Muslims living in rich Gulf countries are taking lavish lifestyle to a whole-new-level.
Yes, and materialistic capitalistic feministic systems will fail and be destroyed.
Until that fantasy world becomes a general reality, which it is, increasingly so.
Yes, it is forbidden. The so called follower’s behavior is not a representation of the religion itself. The prophets referred to these people as hypocrites, quite clearly. But you’re free to go down that road if you like.
@ All.
Do not forget that feminism does not automatically stand for all women. Moreover: not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists.
But what about Islamism? For what does Islamism not automatically stand? Moreover: are not all Islamists Musllims, and are not all Muslims Islamists?
In this case we probably have to adjudicate on both islamism and feminism in the same manner.
The more globalism - materialism in the sense of both techno-creditism (formerly known as capitalism) and socialism (formerly known as communism) - expands, the more forms of reaction and resistance it gets until the great chaos. Feminism and Islamism are religious “ism” examples for those forms of reaction and resistance.
According to Quran, it is an attitude of arrogance that may result from lavish lifestyle that is forbidden, not the lifestyle itself.
khilafah.com/is-it-forbidden … -in-islam/
The only people who would worry about it are the ones who are most likely to lose control over themselves and let the riches go to their heads. And that is a psychological matter, having to do with self-image and self-worth.
And is the arrogance of materialistic women not on full display?
It is true that it is deemed acceptable for somebody to increase their wealth by legitimately earning it, even so if that aids in ease of living as an exchange, but to create a materialistic society which doesn’t really have any spiritual basis is forbidden. The prophets of those theologies are deemed to be the best examples to be followed, they all shun a materialistic life, they gave everything away and instructed people in doing so, in order to prevent such arrogance from rising as it leads to a pathway away from a spiritual essence…the majority people do not fall into the exception.
The bottom line is, a feministic materialistic alcohol fueled naked culture has met its match, and Islam is a worthy opponent in challenging this, not only that but the entire world is tired of the ignorance that women are displaying and their strange obsessive determination in doing so, and their bizarre egoistic narcissistic need to be worshiped.
You can literally go anywhere in the world and find the majority of men looking at women suspiciously, refusing to be in relationships with them or getting married to them. Men by large are no longer putting up with women’s nonsense and antics and they are increasingly walking away.
and laughably enough, that’s all they really have to do, is drop out and boycott relationships, marriage, loyalty & commitment, fatherhood, workforce, high standard living. This is a war not just towards women but the system too.
Men know it’s working because we see the convenience of how feminism dramatically supports multiculturalism attempting to import foreign men to replace the ones in the west who are refusing to fuel the idealistic diseases women are choosing to ruthlessly maintain. but little do they know that everything i stated is generally known by men all over the world, so those men who are coming are not entering in a naive unaware manner, and are not providing and contributing in a way where the system and women expected them too.
All this really only provides women with four general options.
Denounce feminism and apologize profusely to all your native men, attempting to patch things up, return back to a traditional family structure and seeking protection from the coming islamic domination. (which imo is too late, men are not accepting this option, despite the fact of the denunciation of feminism by many women)
Embrace lesbianism, single motherhood or just a single life style, materialism, fun etc (which factually lowers the birth rate of western women where muslim family have numerous children out breeding western families dramatically.
Conversion to Islam.
False conversion to Islam, then attempting to redefine and modify Islam into being compatible with their feminism agendas.
All options are being regularly selected by women. With no.2 the most currently selected, no.1 dramatically increasing, no 3, steadily increasing, no.4 starting to increase
You can worship money or you can worship a deity called Allah. Isn’t holy righteousness also not a form of arrogance? Who or what dominates the human mind and behavior?
It can also be looked the other way, too, that Islam just reached its hands into what will likely bite them off.
Yes, the entire world wants to see women return back to the times when they had nor rights. Sorry, not gonna happen.
You shouldn’t use yourself as a world standard. Men, generally, have quite low standards when it comes to their women needs. Exceptionally low, in fact, especially when the other option that is left to them is loneliness. Better something than nothing, right?
Yes, it will be a real blow to modern women who chose to spend their time in advancing their careers, and not needing men in the first place.
And Islam is the answer?
Are you talking about Muslim immigrants/refugees? Let’s see how many generations their lifestyle will last in a modern society.
Oh geez… a man with hurt feeelings…should this apology also come with a box of tampons…to soak up all those emotions bleeding over?
I don’t know why you’re assuming that traditional family structures do not exist, there are still plenty of stay-at-home moms and working fathers.
There will be no Islamic domination. Islam will self-destruct in time.
Well, if men cannot or will not stick around to provide for their children (because materialism is bad but fucking around is okay because a man has his needs, dammit) this could be the remaining option.
In my opinion, people who embrace foreign or exotic traditions likely have some unresolved personal issues. If you want to preserve traditional family structure/lifestyle, why wouldn’t you propose that people embrace Christianity instead? It’s more in synch with Western traditions.
I don’t think this is necessary; I say, just let time take its course. Just a mere proximity of two radically contrasting cultures will make one give way. And I don’t think that 14th century mentality will survive in the 21st century modernism. Modernism an equal opportunity meat/meme grinder.
If Islam and West finally openly declare war, how will Islam be defeated? Which kind of things would cause its defeat?
Will the strong and independent women finally do something to prove their strength and independence by fighting off Islamists with their own, female-designed weapons and tactics? Will feminists be the main strategists and soldiers in the war? Lol.
There are 2 things which make the West superior to Islamists, both a consequence of higher average intelligence of Westerners and masculine values and thinking: 1) superior strategy and tactics, 2) superior weaponry
Nothing to do with any of the leftist, feminist, liberal bullshit. Not only do those not help preserve the West, they destroy the internal integrity of the West, making it more difficult to defend the system against outside threats.
If the hands of Islam do get bitten off, it’s not the leftism, feminism, and liberalism that will do the biting. Their role would be that of a rot in the tooth that does the biting.
As for the “I don’t need no men”, do you also refuse to stop using things invented by men, constructed by men, maintained by men…? No?
Sheesh, ILP is so densely saturated with predictable delusion that I read one post in a thread and I lose all interest in reading the rest of the exchange, or browsing the rest of the site.
Drones.
My point was that even without war Islam would be doomed. And even with war, we are not comparing 13th century Christian Europe to 13th Century Muslim Middle East. The West has evolved and will not be devolving back to Middle Ages. That was my point. Islam will have to catch up/evolve in order to survive, and that could also be its end. Islam’s attempt to drag Western Values down to its level will be unsuccessful. Not because I said so, or because I want it so, but I just don’t see it happening. The West has been through too much, historically, to devolve back in time.
I don’t think such terms as "righteousness " is a relative subjective position when it is outlined and objectively defined by a religion. If a man lives a righteous life in according to the religion, which encourages him to give money to the poor, do charitable works, be kind etc…You can redefine the term if you want to and call those acts arrogance…
Maybe you’re referring to pride?..Which in that case, i remember reading there were people at the time of Jesus who use to commit righteous deeds openly and tell people what they were doing so they can obtain a status among the people…to which Jesus replied by calling them hypocrites and he said they have already received their reward, meaning the local status and praise they have obtained, the reason being because, although the act was righteous in nature, the intent behind it was arrogance and wasn’t sincere. According to the Abrahamic tradition intention is something which is judged, along with act and word.
Time will tell.
I’m not sure that is the case, when it comes to women’s bizarre egoistic narcissistic need to be worshiped, it appears to me that men are turning away completely, not waiting for you to return back to previous times, in fact, i would even go as far as saying that EVEN if women made such a suggestion in returning back, men wouldn’t at this point, not after such levels of exposure into female’s nature.
But like you said, I’m sure they wouldn’t anyway, and it definitely doesn’t seem that wouldn’t happen on any global level thus far.
Women are free to continue.
I’m not, I’m not involving myself in anything of this, not as much as you have convinced yourself I am
Indeed, it will add a whole new level of depth to the situation, a new level of exposure into the relationship between women and the system.
Hmm I’m not sure I believe in an absolute “answer” in the context you’re suggesting, what i said was just an observation of what is clearly visible.
Meaning? If you’re referring to Western lifestyle and the cultural temptation that comes with that in the context of integration, ive already witnessed a few generations and they almost always never actually integrate at all…it’s beyond me if you think otherwise…
Personally, I’m not particularly interested in whether they denounce feminism or not, as I have just said, I’m just a watcher…what I was saying is what I am seeing, the continuation of the pattern turns into an option. There are many women who have denounced feminism and apologized to men, and wish to return back to more of a traditional structure, especially during all the rape sprees around the west, heavily motivated by fear and seeking protection.
Never said there wasn’t…but looking at the increasing divorce and single mother stats it’s pretty clear the direction in which it is going.
Don’t be so sure about that. You might want to take a look at Islam’s history.
It is a well known fact, that by large men never use to fuck around, that was something that was unheard of in the past, and the further you go back the greater the punishment for such acts was, both on men and women, as a way of securing the family marriage unit and construction of society.
The “fucking around” is a male response to the lack of a secure traditionalism that governed by virtues, moral, principles, vows,law etc. I’m not sure you can have your cake and eat it too. Interestingly enough, when you free the women from the men, you also free the men from the women.
Hmm I would agree with the first part of that.
Christianity is foreign and stems from very similar places Islam and Judaism stem from. I have not proposed anybody should embrace anything. People can do whatever they want.
Ironically, real Christianity isn’t that far away from Islam, but I imagine you are referring to heavily modified Christianity where homosexuals are married in churches, where women are bishops, where Christian women are tattooed wearing mini skirts revealing their panties, completely intoxicated with one boob hanging out of the bra as she bending down in a porch way of a shop taking a piss on a Friday night? I bet you think Jesus has blonde hair and blue eyes as well, don’t you…
You mean 6th century, You seem to think the past was disgustingly terrible and evil or something, it has its faults… but it is way worse now, times have actually regressed a lot since previous civilizations. Innovation is not necessarily a good thing nor is technological advancement…sure there’s benefits to it, but it is way more destructive if anything.
But yes, let’s see, let time take its course.
Well, the visibility of the expansion of Islam is quite clear.
It’s well known thing that…
How will it be doomed?
Middle ages were awesomeness…at a time of war, I would much rather be in the middle ages than this time period, especially with all the nuclear capability they have now.
Down? what are these values you’re speaking of? Modernity has turned the west into a fucking shit hole! The only fun thing here is observing the decay and watching it all happen… that’s what keeps me here.
Every society is ultimately doomed. If Islam succeeded in its goal of conquering everything, eventually, with nothing left to conquer, they would enforce peace because the then current status quo would benefit them. This would be followed by a short time of prosperity and then decay will begin. When there is no longer war and conflict, and the society is already protected and provided for by men, men become redundant because they or their ancestors have already fulfilled the masculine role in society, and now the only task left is to maintain it, which requires much less effort than it did to make everything in the first place. Females take note of this and lose all respect for men, because what men contribute to females (protection from the natural world and other males/provision of resources and shelter) is now given cheaply or even for free, while what females provide to males (opportunity at reproduction, sex) is not so, which tilts the sexual dynamics in the female’s favor. You can notice that this is the exact thing happening in the West. And the same thing would most likely befall the Muslim world, and eventually cause them to collapse internally in my hypothetical scenario. Though the idea of Muslims conquering everything and removing all other external threats is very, very far-fetched to begin with, no human society so far has managed to do that, or to even come close to doing that.
I would be surprised by your misunderstanding of evolution if it wasn’t shared by almost every modern. Evolution isn’t linear and has no goal in mind. It isn’t constant improvement of organisms towards some perfect state. So even if something devolves (meaning, goes back to a state similar to a previous one in history), this by itself does not make it inferior. This is because we do not constantly face more and more challenging environments which require us to become increasingly superior. Instead, cycles of growth and decay happen, and after one generation is successful the next generations will become spoiled because they don’t have to do as much due to how successful the previous generation has been, so they will start slowly draining the society of energy until the society weakens enough, or collapses, and another successful generation emerges which fixes everything once again. If there is an external threat however, there is the danger of a society/culture being erased completely by being conquered.
Are you sure?
It is not 14th but 7th century.
Time will tell, yes.
Yes. There is always coincidence too in history, but currently the tendency is pretty clear. This tendency is a great chaos.
Exactly. They stem from very similar places, if not from the exact same geographical place. In any case it is the desert of the Arabian Peninsula.
But religiously, as a belief system, and especially ethically, Christianity is nevertheless very much different from Islam and Judaism. In this sense Christianity is very much more like Buddhism.
As almost all phenomena, innovation has two sides: a good one and a bad / evil one.
Yes, but in the case of a great war like a world war, Islam has currently no chance.
Are they not compatible, not even temporarily, according to you?
I would like to know what you think about the following videos and texts:
“Feminism was Created to Destabilize Society, Tax Women and Set Up the NWO.” - Aaron Russo.
“Feminism is a Terrorist Organization.” - Erin Pizzey.
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