globalism, nationalism and you

There are many here who approve and promote nationalism and
many who approve and promote “white” power and many here who
are anti-… a whole lot of things… and one of the major anti- … here
is anti-globalism…all of these anti-… and the few approve ism’s
are based on the differences of people… we are white and you are black
and we are nationalist and you are globalist and we are… and you are…
promoting the idea of the differences between people…

the “globalist” follow a different path… we promote the things we have in common…

those things you proclaim as difference are really things that are accidental…
being born white or black is accidental… being born in a certain country is accidental…
being born within a certain ideology or ism is accidental… those things we have no control over
and those are the very things you promote… the accidental things in our lives…
of being white, of being born in a certain country, of race, creed, color, ethnicity…
these things are accidental…

we are human beings and we have certain needs… all human beings, ALL human beings
need food, water, shelter, clothing, medical, education and we need love…

those needs aren’t accidental, they are basic to the human being…
nationalist and other haters don’t address these needs…these basic needs of
every human being…globalist take these basic needs and ask, how do we
fulfill these needs? as the human numbers grow, (far beyond our capability to address)
our ability to fulfill these needs change… as the numbers grow, we must grow
the substructure needed to address these basic needs… to feed everyone, we must
increase the amount of food grown and create the structure needed to bring everyone this
food… as the number of people on planet earth increases, we must increase the
basic structures needed… we need more schools, more roads, more hospitals, more
sewage plants, more and more and more to be able to address this growing human
population…the globalist is working on solving large scale problems because small
scale answers will no longer work… you cannot solve a 20 million person problem
with a 5 million person answer…it is the numbers that dictate the larger and
larger answers…

but, but for the nationalist and the anti-… it is the ideology that dictates
the answers… we are having problems because of ism’s and ideological reasons…

globalist are talking apples and nationalist are talking oranges…

it comes down to how you view the world… your perception of the world dictates
how you react to the world…for the globalist, it is about numbers, for the nationalist,
it is about ideology…

the promotion of the idea that “white makes right” makes no sense in a world
where the issue is the sheer number of people straining the resources of the planet…

apples and oranges…

now the human race has achieved what it has achieved because of the
cooperation of human beings… we have arrived at today with space travel
and modern medicine and modern building, not by some notion of “white power”
or some other false idea of race, creed, color or gender…
we have achieved our current state of success with cooperation of people,
human beings, regardless of their accidental traits…the anti-group sees
the battle in terms of small, accidental traits, whereas the globalist see the battle
in much larger terms… the accidental traits are just that and not relevant to the
battle at hand which is the long term survival of the human species and those
traits the nationalist glorify don’t play a role in the long term survival
of the human race…we live and die as a species, not as white or black, or
Jew or homosexual, but as human beings and that is a global issue, not a accidental
trait issue…

Kropotkin

this idea of “making America great” or “America first” makes
no sense because of the connection or rather the interconnection
of the planet earth and the sheer number of people who live in the
world today… we cannot “make” America great again without
the help of a great number of non American’s… because of the
way resources are placed all over the world, we must depend on other
countries for our resources and they depend on us… it is a mutual
pact we have between each other that allows us to survive…
that doesn’t accept “white” power or the anti-… whatever
the anti is this week…it is not about the accidental traits that
allow us to “make America great”… it is about how we handle
our relations with other countries and that cooperation is not
about race, creed, color or gender… to “make America great”
is to understand the real values of what makes a person great
and that is not dependent on race, creed, color or gender…

Kropotkin

You aren’t skeptical about globalism in the slightest?

K: as I have mention, I believe in doubt as the path to wisdom and I doubt globalism
as well, however with that said, the path of humanity as been very clear to this point,
we have gone from small units of allegiance such as the family unit, to several family units
to a village to a larger village to cities to cities/states to nations and we have grown
our allegiance from a family unit which is the same in race, creed, color and gender…
we have grown that allegiance to include much wider spheres such having allegiance
to nation which includes races, color, creed and gender… we have out grown
allegiance to small units like family and have expanded them to include a wide
variety of humans which in the early years of human beings did not include…
globalism is simple the next stage of that growth of allegiance that has gone
from a small family unit to include nations and now it expands again to include
all human beings regardless of their accidental traits and then after that it will
expand again to include all life for we are just one small unit of a much larger
group we call life…

if you follow the large growth of human existence, then this next step makes
sense and does follow from the prior experience of human beings…

Kropotkin

Globalism is the ideology of slaves and slave masters, the end result is global government.

Your dream of a globally balkanized world controlled by some kind of universal human institution will end up in tears, fire, and war worldwide. I chuckle at your beliefs and laugh right at your face.

What values exactly? Please enlighten us great one.

Yes, what we need is a one world system of allegiance. :laughing:

Just come out and say it already Peter.

As Otto made three separate posts, I shall answer all three in one post…

There are those who hold archaic beliefs like Otto…
beliefs in the correctness of race or the value of the small, like in a village,
over the value of the large, like in a nation…the small works well when
there are few in numbers, but in a situation where there are many, the small
no longer works well…People like Otto are trapped in the past, holding values
like race and creed and color as the defining factors of a person or a society,
whereas modernity has moved past that because what is race when there is no such
thing as a “pure” race? Being white is a reflection of one’s skin color, not of who
you are…take me for example, I am part Irish and part English and part dutch
and because my family has been in the US since before the Civil war, I am part
native American and part black…and I am not alone, and then what does race mean
when everyone is mixed up in some fashion?

globalization is a response to the sheer numbers of people on planet earth…
we must adapt and respond to the number of people on planet earth and
that requires globalization…less people and there would be no need for
globalization but we are faced with a situation that demands a response…

globalization is a solution to a problem…
and your response seems to be to laugh in my face
and call me a simpleton and naïve… that is not really a
solution to the problems of our times… but frankly
being beholden to the past as you are, you have no real
solutions to our current problems…

I seek solutions to problems, you seek to be right
and you aren’t even right because you are engaged
in the policies of the past…archaic solutions favored
by people beholden to the past like the GOP and other
right wing, past looking people…

your engagement with the past solutions are damaging and
I refer to “your” as anyone who promotes past solutions as a
answer to current problems… for example, looking to the bible
as an answer to say, climate change, is rather silly and yet is it
a response some have to climate change…or thinking that climate change
is simply a racial or ethnic or creed problem is past thinking about current
problems…you are fighting yesterdays battles with yesterday tools…

globalism is one possible answer to our current problems, not the only one, but
it follows from the past in ways that is instructive…

you will not understand what I am saying because you are trapped within an ism,
an ideology that prevents you from seeing the vision I am seeing…

I am looking for solutions for problems and you are not…

pretty simple…

Kropotkin

What exactly is the future? Ecological disaster, world war, A.I., global governance, famine, and the depletion of all the world’s natural resources. Your social and technological progressivism means absolute damnation worldwide going into the future.

It is a fool’s errand to think we can manage the planet and have absolute control over it.

Who is the greater fool here?

K: and once again, no solutions, just referring to me as a fool… I have never ask for nor
need “have absolute control over it” it being the world…

once again, you ism and faulty understanding of liberalism leads you to that conclusion…

we have problems and what are your suggestions for solving those problems?

I am offering up solutions to current problems which is a whole lot more then you
are doing…which is nothing…so tell me… what is your solution to global warming?
what is your solution to dwindling resources? what is your solution to population growth running
out of control? what is your solution to… it doesn’t matter to you because you are too busy
finding fault with everyone else…

Kropotkin

There are no feasible solutions and moreover people with your ideological pedigree helped form our current crisis along with making it much worse as time goes on.

It is a conspiracy, much more than people realise.

Is it time for a New World Order that can monitor and police the chaos in an organized and structured fashion?

Dr John Coleman in Consipriators’ Hierarchy; The Story of the Committee of 300, summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows:

“A world governmental system that expects the citizens of the world to give up their inalienable rights and their fervent patriotism, for global rights, for reasons of global peace and security”.

Is this a myth, or a coming reality?

Reporters report it, economists insist on it, religious leaders are working on it and politicians support it.

“The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate. The main uncertainty is whether man can exert a positive role in shaping a New World Order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture.”
R. Falk, On the Creation of a Just World Order 1975.

The New World Order … today’s coming empire, controlled by crisis and deception.

There will be a time in society when every single person will have to have a number or some I.D. which without it you will not be able to drive a car, open a bank account, receive health care or hold a job. The technology already exists and is happening now, today.

K: and once again, no solutions, just referring to me as a fool… I have never ask for nor
need “have absolute control over it” it being the world…

once again, you ism and faulty understanding of liberalism leads you to that conclusion…

we have problems and what are your suggestions for solving those problems?

I am offering up solutions to current problems which is a whole lot more then you
are doing…which is nothing…so tell me… what is your solution to global warming?
what is your solution to dwindling resources? what is your solution to population growth running
out of control? what is your solution to… it doesn’t matter to you because you are too busy
finding fault with everyone else…

O: There are no feasible solutions and moreover people with your ideological pedigree helped form our current crisis along with making it much worse as time goes on.
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K: and thus proving my point… you have no solutions to offer and only believe in
finding faults in others…you are no help to anyone…
in fact, you are pretty much useless…

Kropotkin

You liberal progressivists have this fallacy of assuming that there is solutions or cures to everything, good luck with that.

Many of the solutions that you’re all looking for is to problems you also created.