Vote on Democracy Vs. Dictators

[Tab]

I'm kinda booked at the moment. Pav and I will debate the death penalty's expansion fairly soon, and I wanna take on Faust concerning something to do with justice sometime after that.

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[barcelonic]

tab whats the death penalty expansion? im in the UK so US news travels slow lol

[PavlovianModel146]

tab whats the death penalty expansion? im in the UK so US news travels slow lol

There is no news, unfortunately. It is simply my opinion that the death penalty should be expanded to include virtually every felony.

I also like your Debate topic. I think virtually anyone would be hard-pressed to adequately defend the notion that, "Innocent until proven guilty," is what actually takes place. If you were truly, "Innocent until proven guilty," then how could you ever possibly be arrested and spend time in jail before your trial?

[barcelonic]

tab whats the death penalty expansion? im in the UK so US news travels slow lol

There is no news, unfortunately. It is simply my opinion that the death penalty should be expanded to include virtually every felony.

I also like your Debate topic. I think virtually anyone would be hard-pressed to adequately defend the notion that, "Innocent until proven guilty," is what actually takes place. If you were truly, "Innocent until proven guilty," then how could you ever possibly be arrested and spend time in jail before your trial?

oh ok wow - so if i comitted arson on an empty abandoned building due for demolition, do i deserve to die? hmm....

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[PavlovianModel146]

comitted arson on an empty abandoned building due for demolition, do i deserve to die? hmm....

In a word, yes.

Why would you do that?

Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?

[Tab]

[Tab]

Don't want to worry anyone, but the week's pretty much up.

You don't want that nasty Tab to win, now do you..?

[Stoic Guardian]

So democracy is going to win by voting Shocker...

[Tab]

Are we calling this one..?

[barcelonic]

Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?

If there were kids in there it wouldn't be abandoned lol

[Tab]

[as per usual me and Stoic will bump the living shit out of this thread, until at least 9 votes are in or a week's up, whichever comes first]

Well, it's been 9 days, so I, in my capacity as no-one in particular, declare the voting closed.

Last call:

Tab 5
Stoic 1

Thanks to everyone who voted, and thanks to Stoic for participating.

[PavlovianModel146]

Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?

If there were kids in there it wouldn't be abandoned lol

I thought by, "Abandoned," you meant, "No longer is use or regularly occupied." That's how I would have used the word. I now notice that you also said, "Empty," so, my apologies.

What if they entered the back while you started the fire in the front, or vice-versa? What if your flames caught a nearby (occupied) home on fire?

[barcelonic]

Would younot consider that kids love abandoned buildings, and thus, could be in there playing whenever you decide to set that fire?

If there were kids in there it wouldn't be abandoned lol

I thought by, "Abandoned," you meant, "No longer is use or regularly occupied." That's how I would have used the word. I now notice that you also said, "Empty," so, my apologies.

What if they entered the back while you started the fire in the front, or vice-versa? What if your flames caught a nearby (occupied) home on fire?

I think my point was more that crimes are adjudicated after the fact. It is up to you what your view is on the matter, it's just that arson is one crime and murder & manslaughter are different charges.

You said, "...virtually every felony" and I was just asking whether you believe arson should be included (just arson - no added charges)?

[PavlovianModel146]

Yes.

[barcelonic]

Yes.

Fair enough

If I end up a judge on that i promise i'll consider both argments as objectively as i can

[PavlovianModel146]

I will make sound arguments, Tab will make better ones. You cannot become better at Chess if you don't play superior opponents, though.

[Moreno]

There is no news, unfortunately. It is simply my opinion that the death penalty should be expanded to include virtually every felony.

I agree but only with white collar crimes.

[barcelonic]

so when is that debate happening and who's in it and judging etc.....

Interesting topic for sure

[PavlovianModel146]

You're a Judge.

I'm waiting for Tab to decide whether or not we should each pick a Judge, or if you should pick the other two. He's busy with finals over there this week, so it'll probably start early next week.

[Tab]

I think Barcelonic should choose, otherwise trajicomic will heckle us again.

Finals are on wed/thur next week, and my kid's just been circumcised so I'm a bit busy at the moment. Weekend after next sounds do-able.

[PavlovianModel146]

Trajicomic won't be here until he thinks of another handle and gets a new IP address/E-Mail set up.

The weekend after next works for me. I don't have much of a reputation for rushing these things ever since the Time Limits I tried in the ILP/ILO Debates failed miserably.

[Tab]

Aw, poor tc got the chop..? I'm literally flooding with tears right now.

[Stoic Guardian]

Wait a minute, if the date above this is accurate,http://writeitorbust.blogspot.com/2012/06/democracy-vs-dictators.html then that mean tab aready had most of his argument written...