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Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:40 pm

Within the framework of technological singularities and transhumanism, the coming singularity may have already occured or is occuring all the time. It consists in simply modifying the neural network circuits of the brain directly, through new circuits, new drugs, new chips implanted and radical and bold manipulations of the neuron circuits within our brain. This manipulation will change how the world is organized, how time flows (if it even flows), how emotions and feelings and pain/pleasure is linked to information and designs etc.

Since this can be done with current technology, has probably been done often and in hidden mode, in mysterious other nations cultures, since this cannot link in any way anymore with our current technology, history and concept of progress, it cannot be noticed or perceived or understood or recognized. Science and technology has reached the end of its road, we can now only manipulate our mind directly to see more, but this manipulation is no longer in any relation to past science and technology and has vague if any goals.

It is also something totally outside of any social context, has no economic meaning, we are far beyond all at this point. This is the last discovery since discovery is a self referencing invention, but we keep on playing with innocent gadgets trying to avoid the truth that now only the direct, radical and limitless manipulation and design of new brains and minds creates new worlds. This is immediately possible, the TECHNOLOGICAL SINGULARITY HAS ALREADY OCCURED, we are simply afraid. It has nothing to do with super intelligent brains - computers, there is no measure on intelligence in new brains, just completely new unknown worlds.

It is at this point a combinational game with trillions of new minds - worlds - universe possible...
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:48 pm

The spectrum of sight, audio, touch, smell that is percieved is all that is necessay for the survival of the human organism.
The span of the spectrum is the brain's (mind) ability to decipher the stimuli. When the ability to manipulate brain matter frquency is acquired , the brain can then be made to percieve more.
The next evolutionary step for the human organism is coming.
And because matter is a product of somekind of vibration(frequency) in space. This vibration thingy is due for an adjustment. The brain will change- all matter will change.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:34 pm

It is not an evolutionary step, it is already available and probably has been done. As soon as you manipulate (in random or organized and bold ?) ways neural circuits in your brain - mind (or in other people's brain ?), you are already outside the concept of evolution or even technology or reality. You can no longer measure it against this world, being that you will then be in a different world.

That is the difference with traditional singularity theories that say that the mind - computer must be able to design itself to be more capable, and then that new one can design an even more capable mind - computer in an exponential loop to forever. But in Instant Singularity you just need to start immediately sticking wires in your brain, stick drugs and manipulate the ball of flesh as you like and you reach new worlds, no longer related to ours, no longer in a linear sequence of time or "technical evolution", but simply in another world that is also uncommunicatable to anyone or anything....
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby nameta9 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:06 pm

old6598 wrote:It is not an evolutionary step, it is already available and probably has been done. As soon as you manipulate (in random or organized and bold ?) ways neural circuits in your brain - mind (or in other people's brain ?), you are already outside the concept of evolution or even technology or reality. You can no longer measure it against this world, being that you will then be in a different world.

That is the difference with traditional singularity theories that say that the mind - computer must be able to design itself to be more capable, and then that new one can design an even more capable mind - computer in an exponential loop to forever. But in Instant Singularity you just need to start immediately sticking wires in your brain, stick drugs and manipulate the ball of flesh as you like and you reach new worlds, no longer related to ours, no longer in a linear sequence of time or "technical evolution", but simply in another world that is also uncommunicatable to anyone or anything....


So basically what your saying is that we should open a skull (yours or mine or whos ? or anyones ?) poke your fingers in it, throw acids and wildcat chemicals in it and connect wires through it and all over the place like a wild duck and see what happens. Sounds cool.

So being that it is a combinational affair, you can imagine pushing electronic signals through it, change the wiring and connect chips in your brain, mind, skull and ball of flesh or should I say ball of meat and explore "other universes" and "other worlds".

Yes this may be the future of what then "humanity" or "society" may become (but then again those categories don't apply anymore). The guy manipulating the target brain is a god and uses science but can't see the results, like quantum mechanics can't see a particle really clearly, observer problem again ?

Maybe you should call it INSTANT KARMA.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:40 am

But of course the brain is just a reciever.
Chemicals can alter consciousness, heck tequila can do it. Timothy Leary expounded awareness through use of chemicals. Shock therapy was used to alter the brain and its cognition. But all that was like a hail mary pass. A shot in the dark and a hope that something good came about.
But I know that soon the technology will be available to alter the brain and its perceptions in a controlled manner.
But it seems that all this evolution was to bring the mind to its present manifestation.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:52 am

Scientific and technological progress will probably be extremely slow from now on. So the Singularity idea can be saved by immediately manipulating the ball of meat that is the brain. Of course as ideas become refined, as chips become better, as theories become better we can use a more and more controlled manipulation of cortex and brain and skull. The point is after thousands and millions of years of "manipulation" in the year 4 billion we may have trillions of different modified minds, some in virtual realities some who knows where. Even the very first modified mind that was manipulated maybe 50 years ago may be in an unknown world that can't communicate with us anymore (who is us by the way ?) it has no standing and reference and can't be measured in our society - world - mindset. So even an immediately new mind is already infinitely far from us.

Then who manipulates which mind ? the mind self manipulates ? are there multiple personalities in one mind or many millions connected in a "solid state civilization" ? Then what goals are there ? the questions go on forever ...

The traditional theory of singularity thought that computers would reach human intelligence and then design better computers and then go off to infinity exponentially and could no longer communicate with us. Instant Singularity proposes that even a slightly modified mind with current technology can create minds that are already so far away from us that they cannot communicate anything to us anymore. You need like minds to communicate...
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:42 am

Like split personality we must use thought against itself.
Many thoughts have no factual basis and are believed by many. And much effort is wasted defending those thoughts.
Thought is all we are. We are not this organism.
But we can use the organism to modify itself. The brain will then decifer the stimuli faster, better, and clearer.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby nameta9 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:32 am

Only events exist, only stimuli exist. We measure things according to an arbitrary circuit of pain/pleasure but there is no right or wrong fact. Thoughts can lead to an Instant Singularity even without physical manipulation of neural circuits ? Even thoughts are physical manipulations of neural circuits...
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:58 pm

The cat, the screen, the wall, the human, the brain are all matter whose ultimate componment is somekind of immaterial vibration in space. The brain is a product of space and so are emotions ,memories are stored there , and thought come from there. And it is that vibration that needs to be altered in order for superintelligence. Neuron capacity to fire is according to present point of the evolution.

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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:48 pm

nameta9 wrote:Only events exist, only stimuli exist. We measure things according to an arbitrary circuit of pain/pleasure but there is no right or wrong fact. Thoughts can lead to an Instant Singularity even without physical manipulation of neural circuits ? Even thoughts are physical manipulations of neural circuits...


All of logic, physics and science is a function of the pain/pleasure circuit. Why measure items ? because we have a goal of achieving more pleasure or avoiding pain. Why are there equations ? equations don't exist in reality, it is only a tool we have to use for our arbitrary , invented goals conditioned and created through pain/pleasure and the stimuli to mind, brain and emotions resulting. Change the design of minds and we change everything, exactly even the laws of physics, since the laws are only for us, have been established only for us according to how we interact with reality.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:19 pm

"It is not an evolutionary step, it is already available and probably has been done. As soon as you manipulate (in random or organized and bold ?) ways neural circuits in your brain - mind (or in other people's brain ?), you are already outside the concept of evolution or even technology or reality. You can no longer measure it against this world, being that you will then be in a different world."
- old6598

'" But it has been denied by modern scientists and by those who took modern science to be the only way of comprehending reality. Now, however, the recognition of openness is returning to the natural sciences." -
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby nameta9 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:46 pm

old6598 wrote:
nameta9 wrote:Only events exist, only stimuli exist. We measure things according to an arbitrary circuit of pain/pleasure but there is no right or wrong fact. Thoughts can lead to an Instant Singularity even without physical manipulation of neural circuits ? Even thoughts are physical manipulations of neural circuits...


All of logic, physics and science is a function of the pain/pleasure circuit. Why measure items ? because we have a goal of achieving more pleasure or avoiding pain. Why are there equations ? equations don't exist in reality, it is only a tool we have to use for our arbitrary , invented goals conditioned and created through pain/pleasure and the stimuli to mind, brain and emotions resulting. Change the design of minds and we change everything, exactly even the laws of physics, since the laws are only for us, have been established only for us according to how we interact with reality.


There will always be an invariant, a reference otherwise you couldn't distinguish between states and signals. So wether they are measurements or stimuli, some invariant is necessary. But then in modified minds, maybe invariants can be disposed of, if you assign it, but then it is metaphysics ... subjective philosophy as a Singularity ... Has it been done ? but you can never know it can't be communicated...
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:44 pm

Exactly because progress in technology and science is slowing down radically that the Technological Singularity gets actually closer. Since you don't want to wait to figure out how brains work, you immediately start to stick wires and chemicals in the ball of meat we call the brain and see what happens. Since a really controlled manipulation of mind - brain - emotion - senses is too far away technically, if it is even possible, the only thing left to do is to jump start the singularity immediately.

Also it is funny how the singularity has always been viewed as an increase in intelligence when in reality it is only the experience that the modified mind has that counts. Intelligence is just a tool for a goal, but modified minds have different goals and have different experiences. Also if you modify a mind from outside of that mind, the new mind can turn around and say that you "the modifier" have a "wrong" and "primitive" mind and cannot see and understand reality as it should be. Who is right then ? At the same time you can't know because you would have to be also that new mind to judge and measure, and how can you measure what and according to what scale ? It sounds like the same problem of the observer in quantum mechanics.

Our brain is just a slab of matter interacting with another slab of matter according to an arbitrary circuit of neural networks "evolution" developed for our mind. Hence reality is actually a pure invention, we perceive this reality on earth with a certain range of temperatures and light etc. but we can't experience reality at the center of the Sun or at the center of the earth. hence it is an arbitrary circuit of Observing matter O and Interacting matter M. So O -> M and M -> O, but the entire ball of matter O + M is just one and can be divided in any way, so even virtual reality is just as real as any "natural reality". It is just matter interacting with matter in an arbitrary way. Hence a series of infinite minds and matters interacting in any of an infinite number of ways creates an infinite number of universes and physics.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:40 pm

"It is just matter interacting with matter in an arbitrary way. Hence a series of infinite minds and matters interacting in any of an infinite number of ways creates an infinite number of universes and physics."-- old6598
Similiarly Carl Sagan expressed - " We are the universe's way of seeing itself."
Everything out there is some kind of energy = a colorless cloud of electrons. And so is the brain.

The adjustments will be made. Electrons will be coaxed into bonding, pairing, adjusting co-valences.

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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:35 pm

The Instant Singularity is much more radical; in essence the electron doesn't exist, it is only a category that makes sense to the way our mind is wired, but in "reality" there is no subdivision of matter in smaller items, there is no energy, but arbitrary symbols and tools and logic our arbitrarily designed mind uses and decodes "reality", whatever "reality" means or may be or if it even exists.

Therefore modified minds are "really" outside of this universe, they are really outside the laws of physics, they are really voyages in other dimensions. Just imagine a virtual reality world that imitates a past where the past is hard wired memories in a modified brain, well time travel is really achieved, 100 %. Get the idea ?

Anyways, "scientific progress" can go on forever as it is only a set of symbols and narratives written on pages and thought in minds, any set of symbols can be assigned as true, so you get "progress". Technological progress as in the form of newly designed and modified minds are more an art form, an aesthetical choice. Any modified mind is valid, so design it as quirky as you like, so technology ends where art starts, where a pure combinational affair starts.


check out:

http://transsurvivalist.blogspot.com

and the comments of:

"A "transhuman" anthology about fifteen years too late "

on that page.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby nameta9 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:27 pm

The idea of sticking a million wires in THE BALL OF MEAT, filling it up with wild chemicals and shaking it to reach "new worlds" seems like a leap of faith, a bit like the suicide bombers who think they're going to heaven. It is a religion of progress, the religion of science masked as a singularity. I think that out of a trillion combinations of these "art forms" or "experiments" most will kill you, most will give pain and maybe one will give you some kind of LSD effect.

Of course the combinations are astronomical, start putting chips in, magnetic fields, nanotechnology, genetic engineering and any other thing that comes to mind, but you can't know, you would have to try them all out, even 10^100000 combinations is still a very small portion of what is possible.

The point is we have issues with limits, we can't just accept to breath, eat and sleep, we have to always go somewhere else. Why ? we can just exist, like a rock, who is telling us or forcing us to change anything ? we are just a rock, nothing else, get over it and simply exist. BE A ROCK.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby old6598 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:53 pm

nameta9 wrote:The idea of sticking a million wires in THE BALL OF MEAT, filling it up with wild chemicals and shaking it to reach "new worlds" seems like a leap of faith, a bit like the suicide bombers who think they're going to heaven. It is a religion of progress, the religion of science masked as a singularity. I think that out of a trillion combinations of these "art forms" or "experiments" most will kill you, most will give pain and maybe one will give you some kind of LSD effect.

Of course the combinations are astronomical, start putting chips in, magnetic fields, nanotechnology, genetic engineering and any other thing that comes to mind, but you can't know, you would have to try them all out, even 10^100000 combinations is still a very small portion of what is possible.

The point is we have issues with limits, we can't just accept to breath, eat and sleep, we have to always go somewhere else. Why ? we can just exist, like a rock, who is telling us or forcing us to change anything ? we are just a rock, nothing else, get over it and simply exist. BE A ROCK.


You are a pathetic little loser. We are going to have planet sized brains, GALAXY SIZED BRAINS, that will be doing trillions of things in a picosecond, we will be so far from where you want to be, trillions of new emotions - sensations - sentiments - feelings - experiences, you have no idea how far!

You are content and happy with nothing at all, you just want to breath and sleep, what a total void, what a vegetable, a total loser, you want to be nothing at all. Your philosophy is a philosophy of death, just roll over and die or disappear...
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby nameta9 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:48 pm

old6598 wrote:You are a pathetic little loser. We are going to have planet sized brains, GALAXY SIZED BRAINS, that will be doing trillions of things in a picosecond, we will be so far from where you want to be, trillions of new emotions - sensations - sentiments - feelings - experiences, you have no idea how far!

You are content and happy with nothing at all, you just want to breath and sleep, what a total void, what a vegetable, a total loser, you want to be nothing at all. Your philosophy is a philosophy of death, just roll over and die or disappear...


Hey futurama lunatic, fringe case, you are just a rotting ball of meat, just like the rest of us. Now process and elaborate that with your galaxy sized brain. We just exist, we have no function, no use, we are totally vain, all the living experience has no goal and is absolutely and totally void of any possible meaning, function and direction. Acutally rocks and frozen planets, single electrons are much more stable and a much more "successful living entity" than anything based on carbon chemistry.

You are already mostly dead, and are rapidly heading towards biological death anyways, in the meantime open your skull and plug something in it to get to your other worlds before it is too late.
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:30 pm

"..in essence the electron doesn't exist,..." - old6598

Similiarly : "there is nothing out there but somekind of perturbation is space..." - me

This stimuli is decifered as matter in the brain. And further more the mind is already out there in this perturabtion, but the present brain can not keep up.

"...the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to..." - Bohm
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Re: Instant Singularity

Postby capslockf9 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:39 pm

As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion.
We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the superhologram.

Our next phase in mentally and spiritualy growth is determinant; of that realization.
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