Instant Singularity - part 2

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Instant Singularity - part 2

Postby old6598 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:18 pm

Instant Singularity - part 2

So given that technology and science are totally over, have finished their job, can't provide anything else, can't bring nothing new to the table, the mental - mind - experience singularity must be forced upon brains through thoughts, through abstract philosophical thought that creates matter in the mind, that creates protons and electrons that jump all around and modifies the laws of physics and hence the total universe. Fake virtual particles that become boxes ?

The old fashion technological singularity can't occur, it cannot be expected that some magical technological singularity to occur as in the form of computers becoming so smart as to be able to design smarter computers in a positive feedback loop up to nirvana.

Now it must be forced upon, you have to think it in your brain and create it instantaneously, you have to lie to matter and lie to yourself and the laws of physics will have to abide and yield to the abstract instantaneous singularity. Thoughts are signals are matter are mathematically equivalent to computers designing smarter computers up to nirvana. You modify brain and obtain Instant Singularity. it has been achieved, it has been done, how many people have entered an Instant Singularity ? they cannot communicate any results since they have entered a parallel universe...

What mind did they design ? how did they connect the logic function to emotion functions and to truth and lies ? who knows ? Nothing matters if it is true, only lies achieve metaphysical status.
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 2

Postby nameta9 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:08 am

Science is over therefore it is not

It seems that in many areas science has hit a wall. Three body problems can't be solved. So since it will remain forever a mystery, it allows us to continue to do science forever, to invent new setups, experiments and theories that pretend to go forward when in reality we are mostly staying still. So science is over, but exactly because it is over, it has the potential to expand hugely given its incapability to solve even the three body problem. So we will invent ever increasing complex theories, simulations, experimental apparatus, but all of this will be mostly self referential, will be mostly an excuse for a mostly human generated activity, a "culture", a "civilization", in the anthropological sense.

In fact our civilization, from an anthropological point of view, is just one small quirk, that has developed this activity of scientific research and technological manipulation of matter - reality, but it will probably be a short lived civilization, that doesn't really have any real or deeper knowledge than any other of the hundreds of quirk civilizations that have populated the earth. Actually ours, seen from another civilization - culture, which is always a totally arbitrary ensemble of activites, thought patterns, connections between rituals and symbols and emotional states, in short a set of experiences, well ours seen from any other would appear funny and irrelevant just as we view other "primitive" peoples cultures and activities funny.

But even if our science could become omnipotent, and do everything and anything it wanted, it would still be just a quirk civilization, just a one shot particular way of experiencing life. Any other culture, no matter how primitive or "ignorant", no matter how little they know, would experience life in a very different but just as valid way, and would probably have many experiences and situations, emotional states and mental states that we could never have, given that our technological civilization already programs on the outset exactly what we want and what experiences we can possibly have.
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 2

Postby old6598 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:47 am

nameta9 wrote:Science is over therefore it is not

It seems that in many areas science has hit a wall. Three body problems can't be solved. So since it will remain forever a mystery, it allows us to continue to do science forever, to invent new setups, experiments and theories that pretend to go forward when in reality we are mostly staying still. So science is over, but exactly because it is over, it has the potential to expand hugely given its incapability to solve even the three body problem. So we will invent ever increasing complex theories, simulations, experimental apparatus, but all of this will be mostly self referential, will be mostly an excuse for a mostly human generated activity, a "culture", a "civilization", in the anthropological sense.

In fact our civilization, from an anthropological point of view, is just one small quirk, that has developed this activity of scientific research and technological manipulation of matter - reality, but it will probably be a short lived civilization, that doesn't really have any real or deeper knowledge than any other of the hundreds of quirk civilizations that have populated the earth. Actually ours, seen from another civilization - culture, which is always a totally arbitrary ensemble of activites, thought patterns, connections between rituals and symbols and emotional states, in short a set of experiences, well ours seen from any other would appear funny and irrelevant just as we view other "primitive" peoples cultures and activities funny.

But even if our science could become omnipotent, and do everything and anything it wanted, it would still be just a quirk civilization, just a one shot particular way of experiencing life. Any other culture, no matter how primitive or "ignorant", no matter how little they know, would experience life in a very different but just as valid way, and would probably have many experiences and situations, emotional states and mental states that we could never have, given that our technological civilization already programs on the outset exactly what we want and what experiences we can possibly have.


A physical system is first translated into a physical problem, since the fundamental assumption is that the physical system will be "manipulated". Science is ultimately based on the intentionality of manipulation of the physical system.

The mathematical translation of a physical problem is the only way we know how to see it and manipulate it. This translation and decoding is not guaranteed to be true, may not have any relationship with the physical system, and has everything to do with how we intend to manipulate said physical system. The mathematical translation is a kind of self referential program that we use to visualize how we intend to manipulate and measure a physical system, IT IS NOT THE PHYSICAL SYSTEM. It is a partial and very biased painting of a physical system. How partial and how biased, how far away from a complete description of the physical system is not only unknown, but cannot be known in any way since we are always using the only painting we know how to use, our always self referential model of the physical system.

Any model of any physical system is always a distortion, an invention, a false painting of something that is intrinsically unknowable.
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