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Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nameta9 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:56 pm

Instant Singularity - part 3

The old fashion Technological Singularity that thought that computers (or minds) smart enough to design smarter minds would trigger a progress forever into an incommunicable and unknown world is no longer valid and necessary for the Singularity to occur: it can occur by direct manipulation of the mind - brain, leapfrogging any science and technology to make things "smart". Smart is not needed, the new experience is the only goal, so those that started with LSD have already been closer to the Singularity by decades.

So given that science and technology have finished progressing, and given that the Technological Singularity that will occur will happen by sticking wires and signals, chips and wild chemicals in brains and minds in an extremely chaotic and haphazard way, as confusing and "wrong" as possible and completely ignoring any logic and science as possible, we can now proceed to examine the third step: namely thought induced singularities.

The last thought that a mind will have is the thought that self manipulates itself into infinity and oblivion. How the mind is modified, whether through logic and science manipulating the neural circuits according to some imaginary models of the mind or by directly sticking wires and signals in the ball of meat that is the brain - skull, or by pouring wild chemical in the mind, or by any random - fluke - quirk combination of all of the above is besides the point: what is important is that the mind - brain changes its form, architecture, its emotional - memory -pain/pleasure and logic circuits, its sense organs, invented new sense organs, its organization in any new of an infinite array of new formats and encodings.

So even thought and meditation can be used, direct thoughts manipulating the organization of the mind - brain. Lies are accepted, in fact the mind lying to itself is one of the most powerful techniques that can be used, since in the end only the mind itself confirms if something is true, it can assign any truth since it measures its own construction and the reality principle is no longer valid in variant minds that no longer are forced to follow any logic.

So this is where the Technological Singularity has occured, occurs and will occur.
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby old6598 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:05 pm

Check out:

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22324


A possible form of singularity is described on the websites ilovephilosophy (old6598 or nameta9), that deals with the direct changing and manipulation of the mind - brain, and its neural circuits, emotion - memory organizations in order to achieve an Instant Singularity that implies that no scientific knowledge of the mind or brain is needed (or maybe even possible), but just the experience of the new modified brain creates an Instant Singularity.


Check out:


viewtopic.php?f=4&t=162692

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=163667

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=166773



The basic idea is that intelligence is not needed for a singularity, and no scientific knowledge is needed: the singularity will be achieved by direct manipulation of the mind, it is not dependent on a linear accumulation of knowledge on how the brain works, and the brain to experience the new singularity does not have to be intelligent at all, it has to be a different entity than what we would consider a brain, cannot be understood or explained from our reference point because it has nothing to do with any of our reference points: it is another entity in a new other universe living or experiencing a new life (if it can even be called life).

The manipulation of the brain can also be through direct thought and the brain can lie to itself to any extent: the point is that up until now the world has been decoded and understood with the brain and its sense organs and organization being an INVARIANT and a static structure while the outside world was being manipulated (the traditional scientific - pattern searching method, the evolution - progress of knowledge), but the new Instant Singularity will change the very item that is measuring and perceiving the outside world.

Change the invariant nature of the brain and you change the universe. So open brains - minds, change the neural circuits, add wild chemicals and the Instant Singularity will occur.

Of course, the method of manipulation of the brain could be through thought only, after all what difference does it make, and then one model the mind has of itself that modifies another part of itself according to how it imagines it will react ? but if the "model - mind" is invented and if it lies to itself ? is the model the invention ? is it real or is it not ? At this point you also have the complete breakdown of science, of any possible science and logic....

Maybe the singularity is the thought and idea itself of the singularity, the singularity creates itself by thinking itself into existence ....

To be sure:

Why must the machines become "smarter" and "smarter" ? What exactly does "smart" or intelligence really mean ? It is a concept that makes sense only to how our body - minds are configured and how they interact with matter - reality on this planet.

But the classical Technological Singularity model where a computer becomes smarter up to the point of designing one that is smarter than itself, implies that intelligence is necessary to achieve some form of "transcendence" into a higher mind - experience.

I debate this point and consider it as completely wrong: we need intelligence and smart to solve our only local , quirky problems associated with how our minds are designed and operate, and how they decode reality and how we interact with matter accordingly. But a smarter computer or modified mind can simply achieve a state where it no longer has any problems to solve and can enter simple "pleasure loops", or states of meditations or experiences that have nothing to do with "problem" solving or figuring out how to manipulate biology to achieve immortality. Aside from the fact that said super smart computers or brains may not even have any of these goals in mind, but their goals and their decoding of reality may not have anything to do with any form of logic - intelligence and problem solving whatsoever.

So a modified mind, either by kind of guessing how to do it scientifically and logically, or by randomly changing the neural circuits, how they are connected to memory - emotions, or even completed by blind chance and completely chaotically (stick the wires in the brains, send signals, dump wild chemicals inside it) may bring that mind - brain into a new universe and state of experience that is under all accounts like a singularity from our reference points and measuring points: we have no idea and can never have any idea what is going on in said new minds unless we are exactly those new minds.

Anyways, intelligence is greatly overrated as it is simply a small self referencing language humans use to manipulate their perceived - arbitrary reality. There are millions of other realities and universes modified brains - minds (maybe with computer chips inside them also) live in that we cannot know.
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:47 pm

old6598 wrote:Anyways, intelligence is greatly overrated as it is simply a small self referencing language humans use to manipulate their perceived - arbitrary reality. There are millions of other realities and universes modified brains - minds (maybe with computer chips inside them also) live in that we cannot know.

"If he had a brain, he would just take it out and play with it." :|
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nameta9 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:03 am

From

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=162692

"Instant Singularity"

"Our brain is just a slab of matter interacting with another slab of matter according to an arbitrary circuit of neural networks "evolution" developed for our mind. Hence reality is actually a pure invention, we perceive this reality on earth with a certain range of temperatures and light etc. but we can't experience reality at the center of the Sun or at the center of the earth. hence it is an arbitrary circuit of Observing matter O and Interacting matter M. So O -> M and M -> O, but the entire ball of matter O + M is just one and can be divided in any way, so even virtual reality is just as real as any "natural reality". It is just matter interacting with matter in an arbitrary way. Hence a series of infinite minds and matters interacting in any of an infinite number of ways creates an infinite number of universes and physics."

So the mind plus observed reality is just a sequence of instantaneous configurations of mass - energy evolving according to the constraints of the laws of physics on one side and the internal signals and interactions within the slab of mass - energy "living" on the other side.

An instantaneous mass - energy configuration that can be any of any combination, much more than 10^50, probably infinite, that then has internal experiences, a configuration of mass - energy that is having experiences, forms of consciousness, states of being, combinations of signals and emotions and interactions. Trillions of new emotions, sense organs, meanings, logic, interactions, or maybe just a very simple "pleasure loop" made up of a few transistors ? Design a mind and invent any form and block diagram you want.

If in an extremely evolved form of life, or "singularity computer" self evolved and created itself at the center of stars, using the high temperature plasmas of stars, auto organizing into experiences and signals and emotions and trillions of new sense organs, what would conceivably be the limit ? Our life civilization would be just as meaningful as a rock is to us compared to it - them. And then the very concept of "communication", of separate "persons" communicating or separate entities communicating would be no longer valid: a plasma star mind would be one person and an entire civilization at the same time, just as a human mind that self manipulates its own thoughts no longer needs to communicate to anything or anyone as it becomes self sufficient, an entire civilization in a meditating brain, independent of any external constraints, or any judgments by other "persons" ...
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nano-bug » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:59 pm

Correct.
Simulation will/does suffice.
Even when moving away from the base representation.

Computers started with the need to solve the growing complexities. This invention, however, then opened the door to higher level of arising problems.

The assumption is that computers should eventually feel the way humans do. When some type of simulation nears this goal, the problem may as well be redefined. The perception might switch to humans feeling less, and more like a robot. The new dynamic prizes logic by deeming emotion as a hindrance. The irrational clouds all reason or the ability to solve problems.

For some, death is seen as the ultimate transformation. But death won't always be the only game in town. At that point, genes adhering to circuit boards might be seen as more or less of a transformation. In the end, simulation will favor one over the other. Why, because, right now, we still don't know what determines our behaviors and tightly held prefrences.

We are primed to be swayed.
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nameta9 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:29 am

There are no answers, there are no problems, or maybe there are an infinite number of answers or problems: the point is that the old idea of a singularity rotated around the idea of a machine becoming so intelligent as to be able to design an even more intelligent machine than itself: hence an infinite loop into an unknown. But how does the machine "know" that the new machine "is smarter", it can't judge, and how does the machine assume what experiences and what thoughts the new machine is having ? it can only guess, make them up, invent what it imagines as the new thoughts - experiences - states of minds - emotions - or any other of millions of other "informational relationships" that can be imagined.

What if a simple electron has "thoughts", could we know ? we would have to be that electron to verify it, but then against what would we verify it ? what is invariant and variant ? what if an entire planet has thoughts and is living, could we know and more important what would it matter ? what if all matter is already singularity, subdivided into any inside and outside, into any kind of divisions of containing and contained ?

Another way to view these issues is to think of technology and technical evolution as always, at least up until now, manipulating the outside world with our minds - bodies - and decodings of the world apart as the invariant "observer" or measuring item. But changing this invariant into a variant, changing the way the observer is designed, its relationships, its internal relationships, we create a new universe. But isn't all information that reaches the mind a slight changing of this invariant ? isn't all drugs and health care manipulations a small changing of the invariant ? where is the delimitation or where is the edge between invariant and variant, between inside and outside, between manipulating the "outside world" and the "inside" decoding ?

Only information relationships exists, and more so, contrasting will powers define the human experiences: a one transistor circuit made up of simple contrasting will power, action and reaction, a struggle, a simple circuit, the essence of man...
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby old6598 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:21 pm

KILL FREE WILL

KILL FREE WILL



The brains of humans must be engineered into correction: the free will circuits must be deactivated, the circuits that generate conflicting opinions, conflicts in general, differences, inequalities, power struggles, war, confrontations, etc. must be changed, they are probably just a few transistors, just a one transistor circuit that creates free will and the material called "Free Willonium" that is composed of particles that freely make different and contrasting choices, that struggle and fight each other, in this way escaping all the laws of physics.

This must come to an end, this will end 100,000 years of violent human history with all their "fights" and "politics" and "different choices - opinions - lifestyles - behaviors", etc. It is probably just one bit in brains that must be changed, and humans will then become a superior spiritual machine, one monolithic slab of unity of intent working towards higher singularities, more advanced experimental brains, circuits, and hence universes, emotions, experiences. Change all the circuits in brains, create new sense organs, new emotion systems, new and fake and simulated and make believe logics, laws of physics, internal narratives, new memory and logic circuits, etc.

The serialization of trillions of "Man Hours" of work accumulating into solid results of unity of intent, and not like now with everyone working against everyone else and dispersing all the energy each individual puts in. Work that adds up, hence an Instant Singularity created by the shear number of Man Hours of "product" that is finally accumulating and creating ever higher states of being.

KILL FREE WILLS, all of them, the machines and the universe will decide what configurations are valid...
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nameta9 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:41 am

Back on topic. We are still living within the "era" of science, within an era where a kind of faith ( religious ? ) in our ability to find ( and/or invent ? ) patterns and control reality by understanding and manipulating those patterns is operating. But my take on it is that this is not really true, reality, the universe has no patterns.

The laws of physics work well and we use them, but in the end they are only valid within the limited range of an item of matter, a delimitation of matter - energy organized in that very quirky, one time, extremely specific combination of elements under the form of the human, his mind - body - sense organs - and capability of interaction with reality thorough his muscles.

Change that item of matter, that particular interaction of one piece of matter with another piece of matter, and the laws of physics no longer really exist.

So if I let a virtual mind live in a man-made virtual reality in a computer with an arbitrary set of laws, and that mind lives there and experiences reality just as deeply as us, even more deeply (who knows how deep ? ), and is never aware that it is all fake, wouldn't that mind (or set of minds so as to create a society - city, etc. like humans) believe in fixed patterns, in laws of physics, in a form of faith in reality in its essence of being somehow absolute ? But it isn't, it is made up, and so is ours, and in fact any reality, no matter how many levels of virtual realities, and dreams within dreams are present, is essentially made up, a hoax, a lie.

We try to find patterns to everything, but this program is destined to fail because there are no ultimate causes to events, there are no reasons for things occurring, there are general patterns, but as soon as an event depends on another person's free will, all bets are off. And just like free will kills all possible determinism, so does quantum fluctuations, random occurrences, etc. Just like sudden death kills a person, or a sudden accident changes everything in a person's life.

The truth is, in the end, even the grand program of science is destined to fail, just like religion: just look at how funny all of the economists and sociologists look after 200 years of trying to understand or predict the economy or people's behavior.

History is the real laws of physics, pure random quirks based on nothing at all, not atoms, or electrons or quantum mechanics.


So change the neural circuits of brains and minds, wildly and insanely, it is all just as true as any truth can possibly be, all lies are true, the bigger the lie - invention the truer it is. All contradictions are welcome, in fact only contradictions are welcome. It is forbidden to apply any logic at all.
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby old6598 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:58 am

Hey, where is tzatza when you need him ? Hey f*tards, f*weeds, as*wipes. morons, MATTER IS GOING ON A FIELD TRIP, IS HAVING A BALL.
MATTER WANTS TO HAVE SOME FUN AND SELF MANIPULATE ITSELF THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOUSANDS OF TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS ACROSS THE SOLAR SYSTEM, CONTAINING HUGE TECHNOLOGICAL SINGULARITY MODIFIED BRAINS.


Check out:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172411

and:

So "capitalism" is creative destruction: then I love capitalism, what we need is to build a few billion mega skyscrapers across the earth and then nuke them all to dust with a few million hydrogen bombs, and let the cycle repeat every 10 years. The collateral damage, as a few billion people is irrelevant, that is why we need huge population explosion, maybe just automate making people in huge genetic engineering factories that create them and grow them and program their brains in a few minutes, and the cycle repeats. And then we extend to the solar system, nuke all the planets, build and destroy skyscrapers like crazy, and then finally nuke the SUN with trillions of hydrogen bombs, KILL MOTHER NATURE, it doesn't deserve to live in my book.

And create huge "car engine" accelerators that smash colliding car engines in high speed magnetrons that are a few 100km wide. Let's rush to get Mother Nature on the run, watch out, Science, Technology and Progress are out to get you.

Matter goes on a field trip: the universe wants to have some fun, this is mind over matter big time.

Since no one really has a clue, everyone on earth generally sucks, I am the only one who knows the real solution, so listen up young man Odumbo, activate the following program immediately:

1) 100 new rockets to Mars, manned missions within the year 2020.

2) 1 million huge skyscrapers across the USA, in all of the major cities within the year 2020.

2) 100 million new high quality homes built by the federal government having cheap rents, 200 dollars a month (2,000 sq ft - 180 sq m area) 3 bedrooms.

3) Free basic salaries to all.

4) Free health care to all.

5) A huge program for the future, progress, space exploration, modified brains, technological singularities.

6) End all wars.

7) A huge mass transit system across the USA, with BUSES, diesel - electric, chevy volt system.

Do you want a smoke DJ ?

AMEN.


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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nano-bug » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:01 pm

Influencing multiple dimensions and shifting between different identities will occur sooner than soon. Predicting what this will mean is hard because it will happen while we are still guessing. Humans now think in a linear way, with tech speeding up by exponential leaps. The bionic man will also soon think in exponential ways.

The one and only truth will be that there are infinite versions of that truth.

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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby old6598 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:49 am

From :

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?sh ... 2324&st=90

and

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?sh ... 2627&st=90


I always have thoughts, vague thoughts, uncontrolled thoughts, who knows...

My last vague model is around the very idea of cause and effect, science in general, logic, predictions.

If you do A today then tomorrow you will achieve B, but how small can the time interval be ? 24 hours ? 24 billion years, or 24X10^-60 seconds ? And what happens in between ? does matter think the same way, does it follow a path through moments knowing exactly where it will go ? does it know ? who knows ? where is its' consciousness ?

When a piece of matter interacts with another distinct piece of matter (assuming that you can separate the two pieces, or merge them ? where are the boundaries and delimitations, are they mind assigned ? logic assigned, are there really no delimitations but imaginary delimitations that our arbitrarily designed mind imposes on reality - matter in order for it to interact (with its own thoughts or signals or with that make believe entity called reality, matter, energy, mass-energy ?) ) does it know what to do ?
Since each piece of matter is momentarily independent of the other piece, how do they know what to do when they encounter ? At what distance do they "interact", at what "moment" ? Quantum physics uncertainty extended through all space and time. They don't, it is always a wild guess, not even god knows, not even the two pieces know, they don't know even after the fact, even history is always a lie, nothing at all is essentially knowable, because knowledge is a false concept.

And then you have action and reaction, a chain of completely unpredictable and unknowable causes and effects, a network of interactions that grows and instantly connects, in completely wild ways, moment after moment all the points in space, a bit like the internet. This means the total breakdown of any possible prediction, of any clear cut cause and effect, actually of any external reality. The whole idea that our interactions with reality can follow any kind of patterns and explanations, the whole idea of models implies some kind of stability, some kind of external construction holding it together and assigning it as TRUE and EXISTING as opposed to IMPOSSIBLE.

There is just a chain of actions and reactions, that can go anywhere, and we are lost in it... Lost forever, and ever more lost...
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Re: Instant Singularity - part 3

Postby nameta9 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:43 pm

Take 4 minds, and a common "world". They interact with their arbitrary outputs and inputs (hands and eyes ? ) with this common world and between themselves. They are 4 particles in a world of millions of manipulable particles. The particles are defined according to where the boundaries are set, what is included or excluded as a single entity, what is assigned as one item as opposed to many or different items, or no items, or even all items.

The signals between the particles - entities and the processing going on in their 4 minds defines reality, the universe. There is no external reality, there is no real reference point, there are only information relationships, actions and reactions, patterns that the minds think are always valid and that gives these minds a path to follow, a goal, or just a pathway through pain/pleasure circuits, in their interactions with that farce named the "laws of physics".

The 4 minds, with all of their memories and "knowledge" and experience are equal to any other 4 minds with any other memories, knowledge or experience, the law of conservation of science: scientific knowledge does not increase, it only changes, memories do not contain more memory they just contain a different configuration of bits, there are no "better" or "worse" experiences, only an instantaneous interaction, an action and reaction, an instantaneous configuration of mass - energy.

The guy who knows more, and is more street smart, may last a little longer, but in the end you always loose, no matter what, the story of life is simply the story of minds trying to win a game, that they will always loose no matter what: we play a game of chess against god, sometime the game may last a little longer, in the end you can't win this game against god. The world is not your friend, it is your enemy.

All of the above is false...
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