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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby James L Walker » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:33 am

Authority Figure wrote:Lol


You can't do it.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Gobbo » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:36 am

It's funny cause you consider those alternative forms of energy. Sort of like how python is an alternative method for C# code.

This is what I mean, dude. Close ILP and go surf the net for a while. You'll learn stuff.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:26 am

No viable alternative source of energy exists today to replace petroleum. As I said, nuclear could have been a way, but they had a couple of catastrophic spills in the experimental stages and pussied out.

Sun? Wind? Not with the technology we have today. Obviously they are sufficient to fuel a home and a car (maybe not even), but Joker is talking about mass production and transportation of goods and people. That you cannot do with anything but petroleum in today's world.

Unless the engineers can come up with something new.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:43 am

James L Walker wrote:
Stoic Guardian wrote:
James L Walker wrote:I would like to resurrect the art of highway robbery from horseback.


I call Shotgun! (Do you get what i'm going for here? If not look up the origin of the phrase.)


Sorry kid, I work alone. It is safer that way.


No... I meant i'd be an armed guard of the caravans youd try to rob.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby James L Walker » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:16 am

Pezer wrote:No viable alternative source of energy exists today to replace petroleum. As I said, nuclear could have been a way, but they had a couple of catastrophic spills in the experimental stages and pussied out.

Sun? Wind? Not with the technology we have today. Obviously they are sufficient to fuel a home and a car (maybe not even), but Joker is talking about mass production and transportation of goods and people. That you cannot do with anything but petroleum in today's world.

Unless the engineers can come up with something new.


Pezer understands what I am saying here.

In my opinion nuclear energy on a mass scale is too dangerous for the environment.

It is simply not viable.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:23 am

I want to start my own reactor, but I hear the empires get a little fascist when they know you're looking for enriched uranium.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:25 am

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby James L Walker » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:25 am

Stoic:

No... I meant i'd be an armed guard of the caravans youd try to rob.


Lackey suck up.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:45 am

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby d63 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:25 am

This is exactly why we need to be looking at population control. We either do it through attrition or through more catastrophic means.

Personally, and this is not to go to the sexist extreme that James will (James being a respected peer), I think one of first things we need to do is take control of birth control away from women. They are just too susceptible to baby fever. We need to find a way to easily and cheaply reverse vasectomies and have every pubescent boy have a vasectomy and have his sperm saved in a bank to be used at his discretion. Once men have a choice in the matter, that is outside of their sexual drive, I'm almost certain there would far more reservation about childbirth.

Plus that, it will give men a little more leverage in the war between the sexes.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:26 am

Uhhh.............
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby James L Walker » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:30 am

Stoic, what do the pictures have to do with the thread subject?
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby James L Walker » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:32 am

d63 wrote:This is exactly why we need to be looking at population control. We either do it through attrition or through more catastrophic means.

Personally, and this is not to go to the sexist extreme that James will (James being a respected peer), I think one of first things we need to do is take control of birth control away from women. They are just too susceptible to baby fever. We need to find a way to easily and cheaply reverse vasectomies and have every pubescent boy have a vasectomy and have his sperm saved in a bank to be used at his discretion. Once men have a choice in the matter, that is outside of their sexual drive, I'm almost certain there would far more reservation about childbirth.

Plus that, it will give men a little more leverage in the war between the sexes.


The totalitarianism of population control have a variety of social consequences and backlashes.

It would not be pretty. It really wouldn't be containable on a practical manner.
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:35 am

James L Walker wrote:Stoic, what do the pictures have to do with the thread subject?


Very little.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby James L Walker » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:38 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:
James L Walker wrote:Stoic, what do the pictures have to do with the thread subject?


Vey little.


Appreciate it if you stopped then.
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"Laws are made by governments and are enforced by violence." - Leo Tolstoy-

"I am a disciple of chaos. I like to watch civilization burn and despair." - By Me

"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:41 am

I only posted the one...

And don't tell me what to do you Tyrannical Fascist! (see that just gets old, childish and annoying doesn't it?)
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:43 am

Sorry, the second one was me... It looked like fun.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby d63 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:44 am

Yes, James, but what I'm proposing is a more democratic approach to it. I'm almost certain that you will agree that men, the way it is now, cannot pursue sex without the possibility of producing a child. Have you ever been with a girl who says she's on birth control, but may not be? Once again, we as men, as it stands now, have no control over it -that is unless we permanently give up having a child through vasectomy. We need to have a choice in the matter. And it needs to be one better than wearing a condom.

It's not like the more totalitarian approach of China.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:44 am

Pezer wrote:Sorry, the second one was me... It looked like fun.

I agree.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:46 am

d63 wrote:It's not like the more totalitarian approach of China.


No, but the measures you are calling for still require the existance of a powerful central government... which is technical language for fascist pigs.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby d63 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:53 am

Pezer wrote:
d63 wrote:It's not like the more totalitarian approach of China.


No, but the measures you are calling for still require the existance of a powerful central government... which is technical language for fascist pigs.


So you're arguing, pezer, that we should have the power to destroy ourselves?

Or that less reasonable people should have the right to take me, or my children, down with them?
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Anarchy through Capitalism -on a flyer thrown out during a Kottonmouth Kings concert.

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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby d63 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:59 am

With all due respect, Pezer, "facism" is a vague term that can be used to attach a negative tag to anything we don't like. I don't like The War on Drugs; therefore, I tend to attach the tag "fascism" to it. I equally do so with Capitalism because it tends to do exactly what the Nazi's did: eliminate or ostracize the undesirables.
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Re: The Fallacy Of Alternative Energies

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:05 am

This is my spiel:

Fascism is a scale of how much of the control it wants a government has. A lot=very fascist. A little=not very fascist.

As pertains to the point I was making, you were calling for birth control measures that require certain things to be prohibited and others mandatory. This would require a government with the power to implement, which would be fascist in my book. I use the term because it expresses perfectly, in one word, the relation between will and power in statism.
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