Shrinkage

[eyesinthedark]

Space isn't expanding...... matter everywhere is contracting. When you think about it, the universe would appear exactly the same way, as everything in the universe, or at least many things, would be moving away from us, causing all those red shifts and what not.

[FilmSnob]

That does make sense...

Leading to a virtual infinity of eventual individual big bangs?

[James S Saint]

Such has always been my suspicion, especially once I found out how physics particles actually hold together. But I'm not willing to place any money on either side of that bet yet.

If truly ALL particles are shrinking, the question comes back into the forefront of how they ever formed to begin with. The BB isn't an explanation, merely a distractive excuse.

[FilmSnob]

I personally am of the opinion that the world is slowly but surely kind of disintegrating. Eventually, some of the energy will find eachother again, and probably another big bang will happen.

[Contra-Nietzsche]

I think the primary, universal particle is the size of a grapefruit, and that atoms are its quarks. Were made of the sub atomic soups, and dont notice this cause were made up of too rarified of parts. I have no evidence to back this up, therefore putting me on equal footing with the black hole entropy theories. Bullshit is bullshit, why fight for one turd when you you can have any given one. The wise wont take them, but we philosophers dont know any better...... and ye scientists, with the childish shitstains around your lips in blindly leaping into herd theories, you know even less.

[FilmSnob]

Hey, at least science has an organized system for interpreting predictable patterns.

[James S Saint]

Eventually, some of the energy will find eachother again, and probably another big bang will happen.

That has always been my theory on the subject. And after my last post, I realized the means by which those particles would return.. after a trillion-trillion years. So it seems the evidence is growing that in fact, all particles are actually disintegrating and with a much bigger computer, I could prove it one way or another.

[eyesinthedark]

Film Snob: That does make sense...

Leading to a virtual infinity of eventual individual big bangs?

Nah, I don't think matter shrinking or getting smaller and smaller would lead to that, perhaps it would lead to ubiquitous non existence, or, if matter can be infinitely shrunk (never reaching an end), to the cooling of the universe, the universe would be without form, or interaction.

[eyesinthedark]

James: Such has always been my suspicion, especially once I found out how physics particles actually hold together. But I'm not willing to place any money on either side of that bet yet.

If truly ALL particles are shrinking, the question comes back into the forefront of how they ever formed to begin with. The BB isn't an explanation, merely a distractive excuse.

Yours too, eh, so I'm not the 1st one to have thought of it.

Right, I'm just point out matter getting smaller and smaller seems just as likely as space expaning, as either way, particles, stars and/or galaxies would be moving away from each other, and causing redshifts. It is kind of reminiscent of how, the universe would look the same, whether it was spinning or we were spinning.

They may have formed from a megaparticle, a particle containing all the known matter in the universe, that suddenly and inexplicably (at this point/time) began to divide and shrink. Perhaps matter oscilates between expanding and contracting, individual particles, stars and galaxies were expanding, then eventually and inevitably they collided with one another, then the force of the collision, sent them contracting, and the process will repeat itself indefinitely, as, not gravity, but matters natural state, which is towards expansion, growing bigger, will trump the contraction, until the expansion leads to the collision, which leads to the expansion again. So in essence, it works like the big bang, big freeze, big crunch theory, except the focus is more on matter, rather than space.

[eyesinthedark]

I personally am of the opinion that the world is slowly but surely kind of disintegrating. Eventually, some of the energy will find eachother again, and probably another big bang will happen.

Probably, as individual things like galaxies, stars, planets, moons and particles, even living things tend to fall apart and come together again, so why not the universe itself? I would say it is probably, given our experience of everything, but it is not a guarentee, as far as I can tell, it may not be a mechanism that happens of necessity, this oscillation between integration and disintegration. I am merely suggesting the integration and disintegration may happen more because of matter, and less because of space. For me, it is counter intuitive, that space can expand or contract, it is matter that moves hither and thither in a stagnant space, or expands, integrates, and contracts, disintegrates.

[James S Saint]

As particles disintegrate (assuming they do), they become merely radiant energy. At a certain point, a particle can no longer sustain itself at all and simply vanishes completely into radiant energy.

That radiant energy is never lost. But at that point, the local universe would be much like the surface of the ocean where waves of radiant energy density would rise and fall. Once that density rises high enough, particles will automatically reform. As they reform, they gain mass attraction and begin to accumulate. Eventually, they can become the radiation absorbing black-hole and grow to an eventual point of being unstable and explode - again. And there you would get your repeated Big Bang.

[eyesinthedark]

As particles disintegrate (assuming they do), they become merely radiant energy. At a certain point, a particle can no longer sustain itself at all and simply vanishes completely into radiant energy.

My theory is, moving together may be what particles do naturally, but then eventually they collide, which forces them away from each other, until this is corrected, and the process repeats itself.

That radiant energy is never lost. But at that point, the local universe would be much like the surface of the ocean where waves of radiant energy density would rise and fall. Once that density rises high enough, particles will automatically reform. As they reform, they gain mass attraction and begin to accumulate. Eventually, they can become the radiation absorbing black-hole and grow to an eventual point of being unstable and explode - again. And there you would get your repeated Big Bang.

Interesting theory, you have a different, more energetic take on it.