Jane Bürgermeister And The Goal Of Global Genocide

[James L Walker]

This is a interesting story I have heard about a Austrian medical journalist who actually was bullied and detained in jail for a year on record for exposing horrific practices by international pharmaceutical companies. You can youtube more indepth interviews of her testimonies.

She was actually arrested on the grounds of defaming medical companies falsely publicly where authorities tried to hold her on the grounds of trying to make her appear mentally deranged. Later after a year she was released in that they could not find any real reason to hold her anymore.

It would appear that authorities went to great lengths to keep her locked up for so called psychological problems or allegations of mental derangement.

All of that was going on in the summer of 2009.

What she had to say was that the recent bird or swine flu viruses worldwide were intentionally let loose by these international medical corporations in conjunction of the world health organization.

Who is it that owns the world health organization or WHO?

None other than the global financial Bilderberg syndicate.

It gets even better. Apparently the plan was to release the virus intentionally causing mass panic to pass legislation world wide through the world health organization in order to make mandatory forced vaccinations of every man, woman, and child on the planet.

The conspiracy theory goes that the Bilderbergs through the world health organization want to start their precious depopulation plans for the planet by the deadly toxins hidden within the vaccines.

If the story is true which I think it is if forced vaccines mechanisms ever becomes mandatory at gun point by governments making it a crime to not take them it might be the logical choice in refusing such vaccines by all out rebellion. It just may save your life in a hostile NWO take over.

[MagsJ]

An interesting read - I don't take any medicines, as I'd rather take my chances with my immune system...

[James S Saint]

if forced vaccines mechanisms ever becomes mandatory at gun point by governments making it a crime to not take them it might be the logical choice in refusing such vaccines by all out rebellion. It just may save your life in a hostile NWO take over.

They are already preparing for all out rebellion, arming DHS and giving authority to suspend all federal laws.
So rebellion isn't going to work either.
Very shortly, all decedents will simply die. End of story.

[James L Walker]

if forced vaccines mechanisms ever becomes mandatory at gun point by governments making it a crime to not take them it might be the logical choice in refusing such vaccines by all out rebellion. It just may save your life in a hostile NWO take over.

They are already preparing for all out rebellion, arming DHS and giving authority to suspend all federal laws.
So rebellion isn't going to work either.
Very shortly, all decedents will simply die. End of story.

A lot of people will die but not everybody.

There is still a lot of individuals that got a bunch of fight in them.

Have faith in anarchy, chaos, and all out total rebellion or world war my son.

[James S Saint]

Tell that to the Occupy movement.... bouy.

[James L Walker]

Tell that to the Occupy movement.... bouy.

The occupy movement is full of unorganized pussies. Been there done that. A bunch of whiny pacifist bitches. They will be the first to go to FEMA camps.

Once all law and government becomes unenforceable is when all the real fun will start.

[Carleas]

Isn't building an international apparatus to deliver vaccines to every individual on earth an incredibly laborious way to kill a large part of the population? Why not just crop dust cities? Aside from the usual problem with multinational conspiracies relying on way too many people for the conspiracy to stay secret, this particular conspiracy doesn't make sense even assuming the premise that Bilderberg conference has the intent to wipe out a large percentage of the population, and that they have the ability to control the WHO to that end.

I find more plausible the idea that Baxter Pharmaceuticals, who is working on a vaccine for the H5N1 vaccine, and who was responsible for vaccines contaminated, just wanted to drum up business for its forthcoming vaccines. I should be clear, though, that "more plausible" is a comparative, and that the story than which this is more plausible is not plausible.

[James S Saint]

I should be clear, though, that "more plausible" is a comparative, and that the story than which this is more plausible is not plausible.

Emm.. glad you.. emm.. "cleared" that up.

[James L Walker]

Isn't building an international apparatus to deliver vaccines to every individual on earth an incredibly laborious way to kill a large part of the population? Why not just crop dust cities? Aside from the usual problem with multinational conspiracies relying on way too many people for the conspiracy to stay secret, this particular conspiracy doesn't make sense even assuming the premise that Bilderberg conference has the intent to wipe out a large percentage of the population, and that they have the ability to control the WHO to that end.

I find more plausible the idea that Baxter Pharmaceuticals, who is working on a vaccine for the H5N1 vaccine, and who was responsible for vaccines contaminated, just wanted to drum up business for its forthcoming vaccines. I should be clear, though, that "more plausible" is a comparative, and that the story than which this is more plausible is not plausible.

If you really think about it Carleas if you wanted to commit world genocide without having it traced back to you biologically engineered plague is the way to go that way you could just sit back and say it is a random cruel freak of nature utilizing probable deniability.

Moreover it is a weapon that most people are unable to defend against or even see.

Not far fetched at all. All you would need is a few ideologically driven people with the resources to carry it out.

Who controls the few individuals in this world that control or create biological weapons?

Militarized industrial corporations do.

Make no mistake about it the World Health Organization is controlled.

I think your premise is entirely incorrect.

[James S Saint]

They Live

[James L Walker]

There is the global food supply also starting to be controlled by global corporations without over sight. Different topic altogether...

[James S Saint]

There is the global food supply also starting to be controlled by global corporations without over sight. Different topic altogether...

Monsanto, who's CEO became the head of the FDA and proclaimed that investigation of Monsanto's products is not required (tyvm Obama).

[Carleas]

If you really think about it Carleas if you wanted to commit world genocide without having it traced back to you biologically engineered plague is the way to go that way you could just sit back and say it is a random cruel freak of nature utilizing probable deniability.

Sure, but you could say a crop dusting was the terrorists, who we know (or at least who the vast majority accept) to have been involved in plane-related mass murder in the past. People aren't so tuned in that it takes a sneaky vaccination conspiracy to spread a disease and blame it on someone else. Most people wouldn't believe that 9/11 was a government operation even if the government came out and said it (and assuming the government was actually responsible).

My point is, this conspiracy is too clever by half. It's supposed to be sneaky and dastardly plot by the most powerful people in the world, and yet it's too complicated to be brought off successfully, and there are much simpler, equally effective plans that would accomplish much the same thing.

[tentative]

If you really think about it Carleas if you wanted to commit world genocide without having it traced back to you biologically engineered plague is the way to go that way you could just sit back and say it is a random cruel freak of nature utilizing probable deniability.

Sure, but you could say a crop dusting was the terrorists, who we know (or at least who the vast majority accept) to have been involved in plane-related mass murder in the past. People aren't so tuned in that it takes a sneaky vaccination conspiracy to spread a disease and blame it on someone else. Most people wouldn't believe that 9/11 was a government operation even if the government came out and said it (and assuming the government was actually responsible).

My point is, this conspiracy is too clever by half. It's supposed to be sneaky and dastardly plot by the most powerful people in the world, and yet it's too complicated to be brought off successfully, and there are much simpler, equally effective plans that would accomplish much the same thing.

But it isn't as entertaining by half...

[Gobbo]

Isn't building an international apparatus to deliver
vaccines to every individual on earth an incredibly
laborious way to kill a large part of the population?

Not really. It's a couple tents, a couple laws, and a couple guns. Let's keep in mind that this has to be a mass culling the population accepts.

Why not just crop dust cities?

They apply soft kills through chemtrails. Though not in every instance, or even most. They do, and have tested around with that.

Aside from the usual problem with multinational conspiracies relying on way too many people

Besides the fact this could be accomplished with like 9 people in the right positions—an them alone—that is officially the worst criticism of a conspiracy theory. Fcking EVERYONE says that and it's not even accurate.

I forbid anyone from using that shit point any further.

[James L Walker]

There is the global food supply also starting to be controlled by global corporations without over sight. Different topic altogether...

Monsanto, who's CEO became the head of the FDA and proclaimed that investigation of Monsanto's products is not required (tyvm Obama).

Great example.

[James L Walker]

If you really think about it Carleas if you wanted to commit world genocide without having it traced back to you biologically engineered plague is the way to go that way you could just sit back and say it is a random cruel freak of nature utilizing probable deniability.

Sure, but you could say a crop dusting was the terrorists, who we know (or at least who the vast majority accept) to have been involved in plane-related mass murder in the past. People aren't so tuned in that it takes a sneaky vaccination conspiracy to spread a disease and blame it on someone else. Most people wouldn't believe that 9/11 was a government operation even if the government came out and said it (and assuming the government was actually responsible).

My point is, this conspiracy is too clever by half. It's supposed to be sneaky and dastardly plot by the most powerful people in the world, and yet it's too complicated to be brought off successfully, and there are much simpler, equally effective plans that would accomplish much the same thing.

Organized conspiracy is supposed to be clever.


I suppose your one of those people that believes this is a honest world where authority can do no harm. Keep dreaming...

[Carleas]

Not really. It's a couple tents, a couple laws, and a couple guns.

I think you're understating this. There are numerous well funded humanitarian organizations trying to get vaccines to places outside the first world, and it's quite a logistical challenge. Even if the actual sticking of every arm is as simple as a couple tents, laws, and guns, getting sufficient vaccine (or virus, for these purposes the challenge is the same) made and distributed to where it needs to go is not simple. The developing world lacks a lot of the critical infrastructure that makes preserving and transporting vaccines possible in the first world.

I forbid anyone from using that shit point any further.

I didn't use it! I said "aside from" that point! Still though, it's a good point. Look at how often the government's attempts to keep things secret fail. When it comes to really horrific acts, once more than a handful of people know, the cat's out.

[Gobbo]

I suppose your one of those people that believes this is a honest world where authority can do no harm. Keep dreaming...

I will save you some time and energy. He, like most people here, does not believe that. Even more to the point, if you ask someone that directly, there is no way in hell they are going to say yes.

We just live in a world where authority rules all. Most people need some authority to tell them stuff. The reasons they present for doing so are, in all honesty, kind of hard to argue with. I'm lucky I'm mildly psychic.

[Gobbo]

Look at how often the government's attempts to keep things secret fail.

Look at how many times they government has successfully kept something secret. Oh wait, we don't know the ratio so going with that argument is kind of arbitrary. Think of how many underground bases and stuff have happened without anyone knowing. The Manhattan Project. Paperclip. The Trinity site at Los Alamos

It's just a bad argument. No ratio = no way jose.

There are numerous well funded humanitarian organizations trying to get vaccines to places outside the first world, and it's quite a logistical challenge.

Oh. I thought we were talking about the 1st world. *uses radio* "call of the conspiracy troopers, boys. We got a... false flag over here."

[Carleas]

OK, I'll concede that it's sloppy, and the nature of secrecy is that you don't know about it, so arguments appealing to the successful vs. the failed attempts to keep a secret are weak. But a strong argument against all conspiracies, and one that functions perfectly well when comparing one conspiracy theory to another, is that the larger a conspiracy is, the less likely it is to remain secret. The more people in the know, the more places the chain could break. It's not a defeater, but it is an argument to say that a secret plan requiring a massive global conspiracy is less preferable to the rational Illuminatus than a plan that requires fewer people who know what's going on.

I'd add another similar line of argument, but perhaps this is just my naivete: a plan that involves more horrific acts is more likely to come out than one involving mundane or purely greedy acts. So, for example, killing a large portion of the world's population is more likely to be uncovered than is a scheme to defraud half the world's investors. Of course, making this case is made harder by the highly subjective nature of "horror", but the subjectivity doesn't matter, because it's properly expressed as the perceived horror on the part of the conspirators: a person is more likely to try to to save family and friends, or to have a crisis of conscience, or otherwise let some other value outweigh whatever value motivates the conspiracy in the first place.

[James S Saint]

The greater conspiracies (and the greatest) are the ones that dupe the participants into believing that they are actually conspiring toward a different and varied concern (often thought to be a good thing) and are unaware of the sum of their collective actions. That method allows for millions of participants, all believing that they are reasonably innocent.

"The Truth is merely the sum of the inner deceptions."

On the outside, the appearance is still the same as if the entire group were a cohesive conspiring group fully aware of their deceit.

Such is the make of Man.

[Gobbo]

and one that functions perfectly well when comparing one conspiracy theory to another, is that the larger a conspiracy is, the less likely it is to remain secret.

Actually history has shown again, and again that the larger, the harder it is for people to conceptualize, and consequently believe. I mean, just think about it.

There is that famous quote from Hitler's general that reiterates this in better prose.

I'm kind of disappointed you followed up that previous argument with this one. This one sucks too.

I would say more but I'm at work and can't really type too much here.

[James L Walker]

I suppose your one of those people that believes this is a honest world where authority can do no harm. Keep dreaming...

I will save you some time and energy. He, like most people here, does not believe that. Even more to the point, if you ask someone that directly, there is no way in hell they are going to say yes.

We just live in a world where authority rules all. Most people need some authority to tell them stuff. The reasons they present for doing so are, in all honesty, kind of hard to argue with. I'm lucky I'm mildly psychic.

Agreed.

[James L Walker]

OK, I'll concede that it's sloppy, and the nature of secrecy is that you don't know about it, so arguments appealing to the successful vs. the failed attempts to keep a secret are weak. But a strong argument against all conspiracies, and one that functions perfectly well when comparing one conspiracy theory to another, is that the larger a conspiracy is, the less likely it is to remain secret. The more people in the know, the more places the chain could break. It's not a defeater, but it is an argument to say that a secret plan requiring a massive global conspiracy is less preferable to the rational Illuminatus than a plan that requires fewer people who know what's going on.

I'd add another similar line of argument, but perhaps this is just my naivete: a plan that involves more horrific acts is more likely to come out than one involving mundane or purely greedy acts. So, for example, killing a large portion of the world's population is more likely to be uncovered than is a scheme to defraud half the world's investors. Of course, making this case is made harder by the highly subjective nature of "horror", but the subjectivity doesn't matter, because it's properly expressed as the perceived horror on the part of the conspirators: a person is more likely to try to to save family and friends, or to have a crisis of conscience, or otherwise let some other value outweigh whatever value motivates the conspiracy in the first place.

In the bowels of power it is possible to get the ignorant to do your bidding being completely unaware of what they are doing in the service for others as accomplice.

I think you do not give psychological manipulation or conditioning enough credit in controlling the activities of others in keeping a ongoing conspiracy quiet and secret.