Where did the electron come from ?

[socratus]

Well no offense, but your objection sounds a little vague.
Do you have specific questions concerning my explanation?

A) the "vacuum" of space is actually a field of affectance noise (EM noise from the Science perspective).
B) the density of that noise is what causes matter to begin to form
C) the more dense it gets, the faster and more tightly it forms a self-sustaining particle.
D) end of story.

Now what precisely is your question?

i have a lot of questions....please teach me about the difference between a virtual photon and a photon...

A vacuum as whole is T=0K.
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A) the " vacuum" of a local space can be a field of electromagnetic power.
B) the local density of that EM field /noise/ is what causes matter
to begin to form real particle.
Physicists call that effect ‘vacuum polarization’
C) the more local EM dense it gets, the faster and more tightly
it forms a self-sustaining particle.
D) this is common conditions of beginning of existence .

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[James S Saint]

i have a lot of questions....please teach me about the difference between a virtual photon and a photon...

Emmm.. so now you change subject?!?!

Oh well...

A "virtual photon" merely refers to an equivalence of a photon without really being a photon.
A photon maintains its form as it travels over a distance (although it actually does slightly elongate over trillions of miles). But a virtual photon isn't required to maintain its form, but instead, merely the total amount of energy that is represented.

QM asserts that all of reality must be in quantized packets (that is BS, but that is what they want accepted). So when energy is exchanged between any two particles through normal collisions, they require that a packet of energy be exchanged rather than merely a linearly scaled amount. But since there is no instigation for an actual photon to form to do that exchanging, they refer to it as a "virtual photon", meaning that it is "as if" a photon had been exchanged.

[turtle]

i have a lot of questions....please teach me about the difference between a virtual photon and a photon...

Emmm.. so now you change subject?!?!

Oh well...

A "virtual photon" merely refers to an equivalence of a photon without really being a photon.
A photon maintains its form as it travels over a distance (although it actually does slightly elongate over trillions of miles). But a virtual photon isn't required to maintain its form, but instead, merely the total amount of energy that is represented.

QM asserts that all of reality must be in quantized packets (that is BS, but that is what they want accepted). So when energy is exchanged between any two particles through normal collisions, they require that a packet of energy be exchanged rather than merely a linearly scaled amount. But since there is no instigation for an actual photon to form to do that exchanging, they refer to it as a "virtual photon", meaning that it is "as if" a photon had been exchanged.

i didnt really change the subject...you had referred to a photon interacting with ? and an electron was formed....also what is this qm wanting it a certain way....i want it your way

[James S Saint]

you had referred to a photon interacting with ? and an electron was formed..

In a common deconstructive process, an electron and a positron can, and will, collide. When they do this, because of their mass similarity and opposite charge, they destroy each other and become 2 gamma photons. But the opposite process in extremely rare cases can have those 2 gamma photons become an electron and positron. It is so extremely rare because the number of ways to destroy something is always much greater than the number of ways to reorder it. The gamma photons would have to strike at exactly the right angle and phase in the midst of the right mass density field. Very shortly after the positron is formed, it will be annihilated by an electron again (assuming it didn't go on to become a proton), but hey such is the state of decay.

..also what is this qm wanting it a certain way....i want it your way

Quantum Mechanics is the imaginative art of trying to fit known Science relationships into discrete quantum structure. The universe is to have only a finite number of bits and pieces. It all seems to be an ego issue and in some cases can easily be proven silly, but much like other religions, they maintain faith beyond all reason.

My way, Rational Metaphysics, is definitional (Definitional Logic) and thus there isn't any alternative. No matter what anyone wants to believe (including me), even if they are right, they can never contradict Rational Metaphysics and also be right (assuming it wasn't just a semantics word game).

[turtle]

thanks james.....

[Fixed Cross]

Turtle - you remind me of Karl Popper.
He praised the Socrates sceptical adagium "I know that I know nothing", and then weirdly made the step "and I know that nobody else knows anything either".

Socrates - James poem that I loved was an analogy of your own vacuum argument.

Does "noise" equal "vacuum"?
Is this something like "potential"?

If born hearing only white noise for years more. The first time someone speaks and communication begins, the white noise is no longer heard.

What "exists" is what "matters", what has relevance, what has positive or negative value.
A vacuum is what has no perceived value within. It has nothing of matter with in it. It contains only noise.
But from that noise, all that matters arises.
The noise is the field of mass.
The matter is when that field becomes significant enough, concentrated enough to matter.

That's exactly how I imagine it. And the "event" to first cause such "mattering" is the (randomly occuring) connection of a basic loop of self-valuing.

[James S Saint]

Your self-valuing concept gets displayed as the particle first begins to form. The formation accelerates because its impetus to form depends upon how much is already formed. Thus it exponentially increases until it reaches its maximum. But even at that maximum, the exponential trait of self-valuing is still apparent by the quantizing effect where the edge of the particle is an exponential slope adjoining what "matters" from what doesn't matter. Through time, that form is maintained through highs and lows of influence, merely do to the particle "valuing" what is closer to it much more than what isn't (it's a family thing).