The "Only" universe

Our universe has been described as “one brief moment of light, in between two eternities of darkness”; that this is the only universe that exists, or will ever exist – nothing came before it, and nothing will come after it ends. But is this true?

Whether it be true or false, both possibilities have laws of physics that support the accuracy of one possibility while contradicting the other.

The Law of Conservation of Mass/Energy and Newton’s Third Law of Motion would suggest False. “Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction” would suggest that our universe’s destruction could only result in another universe’s creation, and our universe’s creation could have only resulted from the destruction of another universe. “Mass/energy can never be created/destroyed, it can only change from one form to another” would suggest that there could never be “nothing”, and will always be “something”; before our universe’s creation there had to have been “something”, and “something” will always exist since “something” exists right now – the “something” which exists right now couldn’t have been ‘created’ nor can it be destroyed.

Now, the Third Law of Thermodynamics and Newton’s First Law of Motion would suggest True. “Systems irreversibly change from states of lower entropy to higher entropy” would mean that eventually, our universe will reach a point where all the energy within it is evenly distributed, and no more interactions between particles occur. “An object in motion stays in motion unless an outside force acts upon it” would suggest that the particles in our universe will continue to travel outward from their point of origin and the creation of a new universe would never occur.

How did Newton’s first law get into it?

And the laws of thermodynamics are not universal. Thus your first scenario applies.

I remember looking up the heat death of the universe once to settle an argument about thermodynamics in chemistry, and remember reading that there are some speculative hypotheses that when quantum interactions dominate the diffuse universe of mostly photons that are left after most matter has decayed, the whole process may start again. It could be that was how our universe began, at the end of another universe, and so on ad infinitum.

I don’t think those laws imply that at all actually. It’s perfectly possible that heat death is the end of all existence and that such concerns are irrelevant. Essentially nothing is destroyed in that scenario either, even time would wind down approaching nothing in the end of all things. There’s no reason to think those laws mean the method of creation needs to be involved with the destruction of another universe or vise a versa. They imply only the immutability of total energy in a closed system. Hence if in the scenario I gave above the universe is constantly being reborn from the cold dead ashes of the last universe we don’t necessarily have anything being destroyed, at the edge of our universe are the corpses of potentially infinite universes that came before us.

Both theories are secondary.

• Conservation of energy only applies when there is energy to begin with. Where did this energy come from? (I have a theory that explains this quite nicely but I won’t use this thread as a platform).

• Entropy obviously only applies where there is structure to begin with. Where did this structure come from? (I have a theory that explains this quite nicely but I won’t use this thread as a platform).

My prediction is that “the universe”, at least branches of it, will continue to exist and become more intricate indefinitely.

You probably mean you have a hypothesis.

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“Our universe has been described as “one brief moment of light, in between two eternities of darkness”; that this is the only universe that exists, or will ever exist – nothing came before it, and nothing will come after it ends.”

What makes this fact noteworthy ? What makes this stand out ? To see the universe as a blink in time and then coming from minus eternity and going to plus eternity, with just a moment to exist (although the moment can be and is broken down into maybe 10^200 discrete time intervals, and the universe as an item extends into 3 dimensional space by maybe 10^200 millimeters and such, but these values and measurements are made according to our size, both in space and time, and especially by our frequencies as compared to all of the other frequencies observable in the universe as the frequencies define the repetitive patterns we become aware of, nay define reality completely as reality is just the end result of millions of events cycling over and over again, the entire construction of a Human and his Man Brain is made up of millions of repetitive cycles (repetitions with slight variations, adding up in the long run into a large changes, etc.) all operating at different frequencies and interacting and all frequency modulated reciprocally and such, and how those repetitive patterns intersect with all of the other repetitive patterns of the universe and how they compare and synchronize and how each frequency modulates each other frequency (starting from the frequency of light waves, to the frequencies of protein foldings in our cells and molecules, to the frequencies of the electrons circling atoms, and such)).

Because it is a one shot ordeal ? Just ONE, just something that occurs and disappears with no further story ? No cycling events ? No frequencies ? No repetitive patterns ? And since we are used to patterns and repetitions and frequencies, a one shot universe coming from the eternal and going to the eternal is wrong or illogical ? It doesn’t make sense ? It is weird ?

No, nothing is weird, nothing makes sense, nothing is more acceptable or less acceptable than anything else, it is all just a feeling, an opinion, a judgment on something that can’t be judged anyways.

And then you would need to be an Observer from the Outside Looking In, an External Observer of the Universe looking at it from Eternity and seeing it appear and disappear and judging how weird and how strange that looks …

And then is not everything just an Observer comparing all of the input signals to himself, to how he is hardwired anyways ? isn’t the universe just the relationship between an Observer and his Environment (the input signals and the laws of engagements accordingly), so then given that the Observer can be of any design, hence the Universe can be of any design, hence that particular design of the universe (the one shot ordeal) is just one according to what Observer is looking at it and judging it and how he is decoding it…

One Shot, something that happens just once is no longer within the realms of Science, Science means the discovery of repetitive patterns, replicable, something that can be repeated to obtain a constant result and such. But a One Shot universe is outside of Science, no repeatable pattern, no repetition etc.

A detail, a quirk, just like Evolution, Natural Evolution is outside of Science completely because it is the accumulation of millions of One Shot events, random casual detail One Shot Events, that can never again be repeated and provoked again, the single design, the one shot job and that is all. This also is not within the realms of Science anymore, it is just random detail, occurs for no reason at all, just like the Universe…

THE APE, THIS APESTER WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN TEN SECONDS (background music of Mission Impossible plays…duh duh dee dee duh duh do dah…)

Interaction…

I was viewing a youtube video (Time of Change, Trip) and noticing that only 1,000 people viewed it, the chunk of Information exists or existed for only 1,000 people, 1,000 Point Like, One Shot Interactions, no extension in Space or Time, only reciprocal, the collision of two chunks of matter interacting (the collision of Independent Particles (systems or minds or machines ?), independent from what ? all one or all disjoint ?), the Information Relationship that exists only outside of Space and Time (these reference systems are redundant, not needed or necessary for the Information Relationship that exists only according to itself and nothing else), nothing is fixed or constantly existing, everything is only an Instantaneous Interaction, the collision of two chunks of Information Relationships defining and existing for each other for only a fleeting moment (therefore doesn’t exist, nothing exists), the end of any constant, reference system, of any External Fixed Reality, now only the Information Relationship, the Event, the Point Like, One Shot Event exists for only a fleeting moment and nothing else, no external universe, no past or future, or extension in space, the (local random ?) Information Relationship is the entire universe (for that Information Set ? nay For All), defines all, if only for a fleeting moment, etc. The instantaneous Interaction and Event defines the entire Universe, nay, all of Existence, the entire possibility of all, the totality, and then it is gone, because nothing exists, nothing exists long enough to create a fixed External Universe with a fixed Illusionary Space Time Matrix.

An entire New Physics can be developed along this line of thinking, only One Shot Events, only Reciprocal, only reciprocally defined and Interacting Chunks of Matter, only the Reciprocal Information Relationship (and all the permutations of possible delimitations, what is a unit and what is independent, what is contained in what, etc.) defining and measuring each other reciprocally and nothing else, nothing outside or inside the said Abstract, Platonic Information Relationship, information measuring and defining another chunk of Information and by doing this creating its existence, as existence is only what exists Relative to what else, as in the Observer defines the Observed Universe, and the Observed Universe defines what kind of Observer said Universe can interact with, how each can decode each other reciprocally.

As the extensions of Einstein’s Relativity, you have Special Relativity, General Relativity and finally Absolute Relativity where the Universe is defined according to how any Random and Arbitrary Observer is designed and how that random design interacts with the only possible corresponding universe it can decode.

The frequency of repeating Information Relationships defining an illusionary constant existence, and the reciprocal frequencies of all other imaginary constant items adding up, creating a total reality that is only a set of frequencies of fleeting momentary events, repeated over and over and existing only in minds having memories that assign them as fixed, (but the memories can be written in one shot from the outside and you would never know).

THE APE MAN, NUMBER 8 MAN

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One Shot - Part Two

One way to understand the Information Relationship, the non extension or existence of Space or Time or the outside world is to see what happens when you are under pain, just a very local, small part of the body in pain, hard pain and everything else disappears, nothing is important or counts anymore, there is no world or universe or global, only that little localized pain that is absorbing all of your attention (but we are condemned to use logic to avoid or try to find out a way to escape pain, but often better to not even know you are in pain like animals, etc.). That shows how really small and little and insignificant the Universe really is, that is the bottom line, that is the real “Elementary Particle” of physics.

So we really only have local, localized, fleeting events, nothing General, no Global, no Common Good, or Rule of the Law, etc. just random events that occur just because, for no reason at all (and even if there are reasons, and you can know all the reasons of the world but you can’t control or predict anything in the long run (and often also in the short run), all knowledge and general knowledge is worth zero anyways, is irrelevant) and the best reason and explanation for anything at all, the truest and most honest Science is that that always replies for anything that occurs or any process or whatever: No Reason At All, Just Because.

Funny how the general good and common good is used as a superstructure in the psychology of Man to repress his instincts, as in psychoanalysis, and Freud, etc. a control system…

Just like the programmer that has to fix complex systems, his boss tells him to do it fast (it is always an emergency, but there is a hidden agenda for making everything appear as an emergency, you are sure things will just get worst and worst which is the real reason everything must always be done right away (doing it fast you are sure to make more mistakes, aside from the show of “Hard Work”), the deadline, to create more money flows, more problems needing more contracts, etc.), really fast knowing that the faster you try to fix a bug the more bugs you introduce, but that is the real goal, solve one problem to produce 10 problems down the line, so more cash to fix 10 new problems, and fix 10 new problems to create 100 new problems down the line, so ever more cash, the worst you fix it the better, the real goal is the cash, there is no general or common good here, only someone gaining cash and someone losing cash behind all of the make believe and all of the hot air and excuses and large scale fake common good everyone talks about. But the boss is 100 % correct, only the local gain and event counts, only the local gain of any random person counts as opposed to some general good, only naive babies believe in the general good or common good, the boss just wants to increase the bottom line, cash baby cash, all the rest is irrelevant. And simlar examples can be found in many other sectors and jobs and corporations, situations etc. not only Software, etc…

Especially since it is always a simple Man Brain judging and evaluating and perceiving and assigning the value of anything arbitrarily without any real absolute reference system aside from his radnom free will and random taste and desires and pleasures, and in fact the pleasure of one Man Brain as opposed to the pain of a billion Man Brains is perfectly ok, in the end it is always a useless, insignificant contraption that is gaining or losing, there is no General World, or Common World, or Common Goal, or Common Good, only instantaneous fights between opposing will powers both of which are useless and meaningless and valueless and arbitrary, etc.

When you realize how totally arbitrary everything is since it is all based on some turd, any random turd in the end (all Man Brains are turds and always wrong), you finally see how worthless all choices and decisions and paths really are: just the one shot event exists, nothing at all, the one shot fight and winner or loser and so forth, a one transistor circuit nothing deeper or better.

There are occasions when the common goal and good is achieved like in wars, like in the USA Space Program of putting a Man on the Moon, etc. And we could achieve a huge amount of results, common goals if it really were desired and wanted, if Odumbo said that by 2020 the USA would put a Man on Mars, it could easily be done, just like any goal can easily be done, we have everything to do anything at all, we have millions of technicians wasting time in idiotic technical gadgets like the IPAD and idiotic political games in the offices, millions of idle workers worldwide, millions of hours wasted over millions of worthless procedures and documents and rules of the game all designed to repress the huge productive capacity and excess capacity a modern Technological Economy has.

But it could be done: Free Salaries, Cheap Rents and Huge Public Private Projects building Trillions of Skyscrapers, Trillions of Rockets to Mars, Trillions of High Speed Trains across the globe, Split the Sun grab all of its energy, etc.

THE APESTAR, THE EIGHTH MEN

Yeah, I agree completely.

This is me articulating that realization

Newton’s first law applies to it when you think of the big bang, where all the matter in the universe was rapidly expanding outwards. It should continue to stay on its course outwards, never to return to its point of origin.
This ties in with the idea of entropy, in that eventually, if everything keeps traveling outwards from the point of origin (the center of the universe where the big bang took place), then everything will become so spread out that significant interactions between particles would no longer take place, and the possibility of life would cease.

This depends on what gravity’s ultimate role is in the creation and continuation of the universe; will some underlying mechanism responsible for gravity eventually suck everything back in to the point of origin and cause another universe to be created? I sure hope so.

10^100 years (the estimated amount of time our universe has left before experiencing heat death) may seem like a long time, but on the order of eternity it is negligible – we need eternity’s promise of an eternal recurrence of universes in order for life to always continue; otherwise we are a blip of insignificance in everlasting darkness.