Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:33 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:One does not have to believe any thing scientists say for two reasons. Firstly belief is an article of faith and has zero place in science
Secondly all scientific experiments can be replicated or explained. So it is not necessary to have to just accept the word of scientists

Regarding faster than light travel : objects of mass cannot travel faster than light because time would stop and start going backwards. Which would
violate the law of cause and effect so it is not physically possible. For even photons cannot travel faster than light and they do not experience time

But your text here just indicates that you seem to "believe any thing scientists say". I mean: You are told by scientists (namely by the current mainstream physicists), and obviously believe in their saying, that "time would stop amd start backwards", if "objects of mass" travelled "faster than light".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:51 pm

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surreptitious57 wrote:This is all very interesting but practical demonstrations are more valid than either computer simulations or elegant theories. Potentially falsifiable hypotheses subjected to the rigour of the scientific method are what is needed here.

Already been done. You are merely not in a situation to be able to know it. And it wasn't a "simulation", but rather an emulation. There is a very serious and relevant distinction. An emulation is a type of proof because the actual principles are being used so as to cause the result. If the theory isn't right, you don't get the right result. A simulation is merely for display purposes, often not using any of the principles involved but rather merely moving pictures around as per its program directive.

surreptitious57 wrote:Without that it is just speculation. Even if what you propose is actually true there is
no way of knowing. Your own self confidence is simply not good enough and so try and work towards testing these theories of yours if you can. I am especially interested in the theory of faster than light travel regarding semi particles. Have you run that past any theoretical physicists and if so what was their reaction

As with ALL modern day Science, YOU cannot know but only speculate that what you have been told in magazines is true. You will believe what I have been saying only when they tell you to believe it. And yes, I have taught it to practicing physicists. It all takes time and they don't really care.

RM:AO rationally explains what has already been witnessed without having to twist space or time concepts. It is philosophically clean. But there is very little that it proposes as practical advantage over formulas already being used whether those formulas make any rational sense or not. So it is not like a grand revelation for practicing physicists. It is instead mostly just a unified, rationally consistent explanation with nothing to prove other than the consistency of the logic involved. They already know how to accomplish what they are after. RM:AO merely yields a logically consistent explanation for WHY what they do works. For instance, RM:AO gives the first rational explanation as to why the Young Double-slit experiment works the way that it does. But it doesn't change the outcome. The RM:AO explanation can be falsified by a process described below.

The subject of faster than light travel is a little complex and probably not as interesting as you think. The idea of people or space ships traveling faster than light is not at all reasonable. There is a lot of explaining to do merely to understand the subject.

Double-Slit Hypothesis

In the double-slit experiment concerning singularly generated particles, a double-slit screen is positioned between a particle source and a detection screen or device. The screen then displays what is seen as an “interference pattern” revealing the location of where each particle struck the screen after passing through the slits. For more than a century people have been confounded as to exactly why an interference pattern would appear when it seems impossible that any interference could exist.

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Using a new theory producing method, dubbed “RM”, and a new ontology, Affectance Ontology, I hypothesize that if the inner surface of the double-slit screen was altered to a specific surface shape, particles would no longer create a significant interference pattern, but waves still would. Since a photon seems as a particlized wave, I suspect that photons would show little difference from their typical interference pattern, as their inherent wave properties would still have predominate effect. But if they also stopped showing the interference pattern, it would indicate that photons really are strictly particles.

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Note that the inner walls of the screen must be randomized in height such that its greatest height is equal to or greater than the expected largest interference pattern wavelength. All inner walls should have a random surface. It would be good if the display screen was also shaped similarly, but such should not be necessary.

If the photons are particles and nothing else (thus also no waves), what are those indicated waves then? Do you think that they are merely a scientific mistake or a mistake of the observer?
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:00 pm

Is it right that light photons are "virtual particles", whereas photons are "particles"? I mean: Photons (thus: all photons) have always to do with light.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:22 pm

Arminius wrote:Is it right that light photons are "virtual particles", whereas photons are "particles"? I mean: Photons (thus: all photons) have always to do with light.

In English, "virtual" means "might as well be, even though technically not". A photon (of anything) and all other so-called "virtual particles" are not physical particles yet largely behave as if they were particulate in that they maintain a large degree of cohesion, maintaining themselves as an object for at least a short time. Mass particles are extremely stable objects. Virtual particles might not remain cohesive for long at all.

The concept of the virtual particle stems from Quantum Mechanics translated into Quantum Physics. In Quantum Mechanics averages of millions of trials determine what is or isn't a particle or property of a particle. It is a misuse of the language so as to confound students into a misrepresentation of reality (aka. "false ontology", "Quantum Physics"). The good of it is merely that very accurate predictions can be made due to the millions of trials being the basis for the prediction. Any one singular incident can never be predicted in Quantum Mechanics, only the average behavior of a great many. If on average a certain amount of energy leaves from an interaction, that particular clump of energy is given a name and dubbed a "virtual particle".

It is best to translate "virtual particle" as "sort-of-like particle" or "almost particle" or "amount of energy", and in all cases, "not a stable mass particle".

And the word "photon" somewhat graduated from referring only to clumps of visible light into referring to clumps of any EMR. A photon of EMR, visible light or otherwise, is merely a "puff of affectance traveling in a single direction".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:11 am

The current mainstream physicists say that the photon is an exchange particle too, namely an exchange particle of the electromagnetic "force" (interaction).
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:29 am

Arminius wrote:The current mainstream physicists say that the photon is an exchange particle too, namely an exchange particle of the electromagnetic "force" (interaction).

Ah .. now getting drawn into the myth.

In the mythology of Quantum Physics there are the Newtonian forces; gravitation and electromagnetism, as well as the Particle Physics forces of Strong and Weak. These magical forces are theorized as having the ability to reach out from a source and affect a distant object such as another subatomic particle. And in order to explain how such forces get around and affect particles, the mythical "force carrier particles" had to be imagined (gluons, gravitons, photons, and W&Z).

With force carrier particles, one can then imagine that a small portion of each force is carried from one force source particle to another force destination particle thus allowing for the "exchange" of the substance called "force". Whatever happens during a nuclear interaction can then be explained by proposing that the appropriate force carrier particles exchanged whatever force was necessary so as to achieve the witnessed result. Each of these carrier particles is a "virtual particle", meaning "not really a particle but we are going to talk about each tiny amount as if it was an actual particle".

In reality, and in Einstein's understanding, there is no force and thus no force carrier particles. No such particles have ever been observed but only proposed to be responsible much as fairies in the forest being responsible for the dew on the leaves. In modern mythologies, in order to explain the unknown, one need merely refer to "subatomic carrier virtual particles" rather than fairies or spirits.

In RM:AO, the Afflate is the only "virtual particle" and it "carries" (is actually made of) a small puff of affectance. The propagation and accumulation of the affectance causes the end resultant effects. There are no forces in RM:AO. There is only the propagation and accumulation of affectance. And the exact process and cause of such propagation and accumulation as well as all end subatomic effects witnessed for centuries is fully understood. There is nothing mythical, magical, nor lacking in full and complete understanding within RM:AO (very unlike Quantum Mythology and Relativity).
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby surreptitious57 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:33 am

The reason why virtual particles are so called is because they just exist for an infinitesimal period
of time. It is not therefore to distinguish them from real particles. Because they are real particles
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:30 am

surreptitious57 wrote:The reason why virtual particles are so called is because they just exist for an infinitesimal period
of time. It is not therefore to distinguish them from real particles. Because they are real particles

No. They are not, unless you want to define a "particle" as merely anything chosen to be called a particle. It hasn't anything to do with how long they exist. It has to do with the fact that they are not discrete entities, but rather merely "an average amount". In QM, waves of energy traveling through space are referred to as "particles of energy", of which ever type.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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