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Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:21 am

In RM:AO, "mass" is merely an inertial clustering of affectance. In the proposed "Black-holes" the mass is absorbed indefinitely, but that is because the affectance cluster is disseminated. The loose affectance then slowly penetrates the region and continues on its way in randomized directions. The mass particles entering into a black-hole would be a bit like a clump of dry sand entering a pool of water. The "clump" no longer exists.

The following is a short emulation that I recently put together as a precursor for a more interesting anime concerning photon's travel. It depicts the path of a tiny photon crossing in front of a very large infinite mass.

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It is not particularly interesting other than the path being very similar to gravitational fall. But the speed is reversed from gravitational effects and the cause of the path variation has nothing to do with mass attraction, but rather photons within an gradient affectance field ("gravity field").

The next emulation should be about such photons or "tiny bundles of affectance" traveling close to subatomic particles, displaying similar effects. The difference relevant to this topic is that with a subatomic particle, the photons can be seen to travel through the particle and emerge out the other side at a new trajectory.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby MechanicalMonster » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:22 pm

Interesting stuff. I'm wondering what the real difference is between a black hole and some other massive stellar object, say a star. With a star, matter falls into the star's "gravity" (mutual affectance clumping on the sides of the objects which happen to face each other) and is dissolved of form due to heat and density; molecular structure bonds are broken and the particles revert to a minimal energy state, become part of the "plasma" of the star. In RM terms this is the affectance "in" the particles being "released" from being clumped as particles, basically becoming a more free form of energy, plasma/light and being synthesized in other chemical reactions within the star. But eventually that affectance still travels through the star-region and out the other side, right?

In a black hole that isn't the case, matter entering a black hole may be broken down in the same way as matter entering a star, but the affectance "in" that matter doesn't eventually travel out of the black hole region. It just seems to "stop".

If nothing is escaping a black hole, then how do we think about affectance and black holes? How can mini-waves of affectance just "stop" like that? Or maybe they don't, and only those waves of affectance itself, below the "mass/gravity" threshold of clumped accumulations, pass out of the black hole.

That makes sense actually. We can't measure what is exiting the black hole, in effect the black hole is "releasing dark matter", then.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:09 am

As sub-atomic particles go into a black hole, they disperse into random noise. That noise very, very slowly finds its way back out the other side. If that were not occurring a black hole would have no gravity at all.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:31 am

These are a couple of emulations showing the dispersal of affectance/light when it runs across a particle.

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And if the mass of the particle happens to be a little stronger;
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These are showing how affectance and light become sourced from a point even though they were originally traveling parallel. This plays into why gravity and charge "forces" behave the way they do and explains Einstein's famous "gravitational rubber shit" without having to bend space.

..and a few more...
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:16 am

..wrong forum.. :oops:
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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:28 am

James S Saint wrote:As sub-atomic particles go into a black hole, they disperse into random noise. That noise very, very slowly finds its way back out the other side. If that were not occurring a black hole would have no gravity at all.

If that noise doesn't find its way out (the other side), a black hole would have no gravity at all? Has that anything to do with a medium?
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:44 am

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:As sub-atomic particles go into a black hole, they disperse into random noise. That noise very, very slowly finds its way back out the other side. If that were not occurring a black hole would have no gravity at all.

If that noise doesn't find its way out (the other side), a black hole would have no gravity at all? Has that anything to do with a medium?

The noise IS the "medium", the only medium in all existence, and referred to as "Affectance". Gravity and mass are made of it and all physical fields or "forces" are merely aberrant effects due to its relatively simple behavior. What is called "dark-matter" is simply more dense regions of affectance. Sub-atomic particles are merely extremely high concentrations of affectance noise. Photons are merely traveling bundles of it. Positive and negative charge fields are merely affectance noise that happens to be pulsing more upward than downward or visa versa. The strong and weak forces are merely predictable after affects that occur when high concentrations come close together. There is nothing throughout the entire universe that is not made of affectance merely in one of several varied arrangements. Thus "affectance noise IS the only medium".

In more modern physics terms, affectance noise is merely extremely, ultra subtle EMR noise, electromagnetic radiation at immeasurably high random frequencies. All of space is made of it.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:04 pm

James S Saint wrote:The noise IS the "medium", the only medium in all existence ....

It is for instance that what Pythagoras said in the 6th and 5th century B.C..

James S Saint wrote:Thus "affectance noise IS the only medium".

In more modern physics terms, affectance noise is merely extremely, ultra subtle EMR noise, electromagnetic radiation at immeasurably high random frequencies. All of space is made of it.

You are a Pythagorean, James!
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:00 pm

Arminius wrote:You are a Pythagorean, James!

Except for a small difference. Aether was a medium in which other things floated about. Affectance is a medium in which merely higher concentrations of the medium float about. Those "things", such as sub-atomic particles, are the medium as well, merely concentrated.

Affectance concentrates automatically into tiny spheres of a particular size because affects necessarily slow themselves into traffic jams of noise. But as the traffic jam gets larger, the outer perimeter gets thinner and weaker. The size is then set by the "speed of light" as tiny affects run into each other. It is much like a traffic jam on the highway in that the speed of the traffic determines the size of the congestion.

A traffic jam of affectance causes a wide spread slowing of the traffic that gets exponentially weaker at slowing traffic. A photon is like a pack of buses going through the neighborhood and it gets slowed also. And if the traffic jam, the large particle, happens to be on one side of the path of the photon, the photon slows more on that side thus bending its course. Thus light actually "falls" into or toward heavy objects. But they have to be really, really massive.
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The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:12 pm

Ok, the theory of aether isn't up to date, I know, but maybe it will be as it was until Einstein's theory of relativity.

What do you think about the theory of strings? The theory of strings is again more like the Pythagorean theory.

Which natural force is the most basic one? By the current state of physics the gravity is the most basic force of nature, but there is much evidence that it isn't the gravity, but the electromagnetism.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:25 am

Arminius wrote:Ok, the theory of aether isn't up to date, I know, but maybe it will be as it was until Einstein's theory of relativity.

Relativity has been proven to be incorrect, but closer than Newtonian physics. "Affectance Ontology" is built entirely upon logic, assuming nothing, and explains why all things are as they are and do what they do.

Arminius wrote:What do you think about the theory of strings?

I agree with Stephen Hawking that it was a silly idea.

Arminius wrote:The theory of strings is again more like the Pythagorean theory.

How so?

Arminius wrote:Which natural force is the most basic one? By the current state of physics the gravity is the most basic force of nature, but there is much evidence that it isn't the gravity, but the electromagnetism.

Current physics is built upon the ontology of forces and objects. In Affectance Ontology there are no forces nor objects. Nothing is ever actually pushing or pulling on anything. What are called "particles" in physics move only due to them constantly reconstructing themselves closer to the higher affectance density of which they are made. Once in motion, they remain in motion only because they have become formed out of affectance that was propagating in that direction. When they encounter another particle, the propagating affectance transfers from one to the other.

But if I were to call something a force in AO, I would have to say that the most fundamental was current physics' "electric potential", which in AO is "Potential-to-Affect", "PtA". The PtA causes changes in nearby PtA which leads to the propagation of PtA changes, in physics known as "EMR", electromagnetic radiation. Changing PtA is what causes "time".

The effort to propagate PtA amongst the other changing PtA causes a compression of the PtA in physics known as "magnetic waves". And realize that PtA is not a substance, merely a situation or arrangement. The changing or propagating PtA, "affectance", is the actual substance of the universe of which literally all things are made.

Mass is formed as a result of too many changes in PtA converging at one point causing an immutable traffic jam. Surrounding that traffic jam is exponentially decreasing congestion of the propagating PtA, or "exponentially decreasing affectance density". The result of that gradient field of affectance density is the effect known in physics as "gravity". A gravitational field and mass are actually merely different concentrations of the same thing, randomly propagating EMR or "Affectance".

So without EMR, there can be no gravity.

And realize that all of that can be step-by-step, assuming nothing whatsoever, logically proven beyond any rational question. And then beyond even such logical derivation, all current empirical physics supports the theory. Physicists merely don't think in those terms and thus find themselves facing paradoxes.
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:08 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:The theory of strings is again more like the Pythagorean theory.

How so?

In ancient times science and philosophy were almost identical. The theory of the strings is very much theoretic and thus more similiar to the theory (philosophy) of the Pythagorean than other theories - furthermore: the theory (philosophy) of the Pythagoreans as well as the theory of the strings refer to music (strings).
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:48 am

Interestingly, the strongest force in the universe is called "The Electroweak Force" or just "The Weak Force" by Science. And one of the two weakest forces in the universe is called "The Strong Force" by Science (the other being "Valance").
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The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:50 pm

James S Saint wrote:Interestingly, the strongest force in the universe is called "The Electroweak Force" or just "The Weak Force" by Science. And one of the two weakest forces in the universe is called "The Strong Force" by Science (the other being "Valance").

Yes, but the electroweak force, which is the electromagnetic force and the weak force as unit (notice: both as unit!), are no longer a unit because the temperature in the universe is too low (the universe is too cold therefor).

So there remains the question about the one currently main force (I don't mean the strongest force, but the main force!). There are speculations, theories, and of course philosophies about this topic. Most of them indicate that the gravity is the main force because the gravity always "wins" ( :D ) - this has been the hegemonic theory since Einstein*s theory of relativity -, others indicate that the main force is the electromagnetism. The latter is very interesting, I think.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:12 pm

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Interestingly, the strongest force in the universe is called "The Electroweak Force" or just "The Weak Force" by Science. And one of the two weakest forces in the universe is called "The Strong Force" by Science (the other being "Valance").

Yes, but the electroweak force, which is the electromagnetic force and the weak force as unit (notice: both as unit!), are no longer a unit because the temperature in the universe is too low (the universe is too cold therefor).

I don't understand what you are saying.

Arminius wrote:So there remains the question about the one currently main force (I don't mean the strongest force, but the main force!). There are speculations, theory, and of course philosophies about this topic. Most of them indicate that the gravity is the main force because gravity always "wins" ( :D ) - this has been the hegemonic theory since Einstein*s theory of relativity -, others indicate that the main force is electromagnetism. The latter is very interesting, I think.

I think that perhaps you are talking about "the most important" or "the most relevant" force. But the fact remains that gravity cannot exist at all without electric potential but electric potential can exist without gravity. Thus electric potential is "more fundamental".
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:22 pm

James S Saint wrote:I think that perhaps you are talking about "the most important" or "the most relevant" force.

Yes, that's what I am talking about.

James S Saint wrote: But the fact remains that gravity cannot exist at all without electric potential but electric potential can exist without gravity. Thus electric potential is "more fundamental".

And that also indicates that the eletric potential respectively the electromagnetic force is currently the main force, as I said, respectively the most important or the most relevant force, as you said.

James S Saint wrote:Thus electric potential is "more fundamental".

That's probably right. At least that's what I think.

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Yes, but the electroweak force, which is the electromagnetic force and the weak force as unit (notice: both as unit!), are no longer a unit because the temperature in the universe is too low (the universe is too cold therefor).

I don't understand what you are saying.

That point isn't the most important for the topic because it merely refers to the "history" of the universe. So we can probably neglect that point. Anyway, I triy to explain:

The current physicians assume that in the "history" of the universe at first the gravity, at second the stronge force, at third the electroweak force developed, and the weak force as well as the electromagnetism (electromagnetic force) seperated from the electroweak force. So the sequence was:

Gravity => Strong Force => Electroweak Force (=> Weak Force and => Electromagnetism) !

In the meantime the temperature of the universe sank (declined). This sinking of the temperature caused the development of those basic forces of nature.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:26 pm

To me "relevance" or "importance" is subjective whereas "fundamental" refers to the construct. Gravity is constructed out of electric potential, as is the weak force. The strong force is constructed out of gravity.
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:41 pm

And don't confuse the electromagnetic force with the "weak force". Electromagnetic forces are what causes the attraction and repulsion of charged particles (in physics terminology). The weak force is what prevents an electron from falling into a proton despite the electromagnetic attraction involved. The weak force must counter the electromagnetic force or electric potential.
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:33 pm

James S Saint wrote:To me "relevance" or "importance" is subjective whereas "fundamental" refers to the construct. Gravity is constructed out of electric potential, as is the weak force. The strong force is constructed out of gravity.

How would you describe this in such signs: => ... => ...?

James S Saint wrote:And don't confuse the electromagnetic force with the "weak force". Electromagnetic forces are what causes the attraction and repulsion of charged particles (in physics terminology). The weak force is what prevents an electron from falling into a proton despite the electromagnetic attraction involved. The weak force must counter the electromagnetic force or electric potential

I know, James. I don't confuse the electromagnetic force with the weak force. But nevertheless, the weak force and the electromagnetism (electromagnetic force) seperated from the electroweak force, as I said (here), what doesn't mean that they could or should be confused by anyone.

Perhaps I would have done better in this way:

Gravity => Strong Force => Weak Force => Electromagnetism (the latter both were formerly Electroweak Force) !

James S Saint wrote:Electromagnetic forces are what causes the attraction and repulsion of charged particles (in physics terminology). The weak force is what prevents an electron from falling into a proton despite the electromagnetic attraction involved. The weak force must counter the electromagnetic force or electric potential.

That's right.
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:47 pm

Okay, I just wanted to make sure that the words were not confusing the understanding. 8)
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

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The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:50 pm

James S Saint wrote:Okay, I just wanted to make sure that the words were not confusing the understanding. 8)

No problem, James.

It's just interesting! The topic as a whole is interesting!
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:12 pm

Electrostatic => Electromagnetic
Electromagnetic => Gravity
Electromagnetic => Weak force
Gravity => Strong force.


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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:31 am

Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough...

A gravity field is merely mass spread out in a region. A mass particle is merely a very dense spec of highly concentrated gravity field. And both the gravity field and mass are made of nothing but electromagnetic radiation, EMR.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Light Fall

Postby Arminius » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:18 pm

James S Saint wrote:Electrostatic => Electromagnetic
Electromagnetic => Gravity
Electromagnetic => Weak force
Gravity => Strong force.

Would you go so far to say that the electrostatic is the „unmoved mover“, the „phenomenon“ which caused at first and thus caused the universe?

James S Saint wrote:Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough...

A gravity field is merely mass spread out in a region. A mass particle is merely a very dense spec of highly concentrated gravity field. And both the gravity field and mass are made of nothing but electromagnetic radiation, EMR.

Would you go so far to say that the electromagnetic ist the „fundamental“ force?
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Re: Light Fall

Postby James S Saint » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:01 am

Arminius wrote:Would you go so far to say that the electromagnetic ist the „fundamental“ force?

Without question... the "electrostatic"... if you call it a "force".

Arminius wrote:Would you go so far to say that the electrostatic is the „unmoved mover“, the „phenomenon“ which caused at first and thus caused the universe?

Almost... with a small difference.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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