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Re: Universe and Time

Postby James S Saint » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:17 pm

I agree that he did a great job with the video. And it points out an often overlooked necessary fact - the helical motion of the planets as the Sun travels.

He also assumes a helical travel pattern for the Sun, which I see no reason to buy into. Why would the Sun be orbiting anything other than the galactic center?
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:26 pm

James S Saint wrote:I agree that he did a great job with the video. And it points out an often overlooked necessary fact - the helical motion of the planets as the Sun travels.

He also assumes a helical travel pattern for the Sun, which I see no reason to buy into. Why would the Sun be orbiting anything other than the galactic center?

The Sun is only orbiting the galactic center. Did he say something different?
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby James S Saint » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:14 pm

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:I agree that he did a great job with the video. And it points out an often overlooked necessary fact - the helical motion of the planets as the Sun travels.

He also assumes a helical travel pattern for the Sun, which I see no reason to buy into. Why would the Sun be orbiting anything other than the galactic center?

The Sun is only orbiting the galactic center. Did he say something different?

He shows the Sun traveling in a spiraling helix. A helix travel requires a center line/curve to be traveling around. The Sun is shown orbiting that center line (in the same way as the planets are orbiting the Sun) as it travels around the galactic center. What is causing the Sun to orbit like that while also orbiting the galactic center?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:02 am

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:I agree that he did a great job with the video. And it points out an often overlooked necessary fact - the helical motion of the planets as the Sun travels.

He also assumes a helical travel pattern for the Sun, which I see no reason to buy into. Why would the Sun be orbiting anything other than the galactic center?

The Sun is only orbiting the galactic center. Did he say something different?

He shows the Sun traveling in a spiraling helix. A helix travel requires a center line/curve to be traveling around. The Sun is shown orbiting that center line (in the same way as the planets are orbiting the Sun) as it travels around the galactic center. What is causing the Sun to orbit like that while also orbiting the galactic center?

Only the galactic center is causing the orbit of the Sun. The spiraling helix he shows is the orbit of the Earth. The Sun is causing the Earth to orbit the Sun, while the galactic center is causing the Sun (and thus also the Earth) to orbit the galactic center. What he shows is that the Earth (but not the Sun) has two orbits: (1) an orbit caused by the Sun, (2) an orbit caused by the galactic center. The spiraling helix he shows is the visual (optical) result of that two orbits of the Earth (and not of the Sun). He does not show another orbit of the Sun.
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby James S Saint » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:42 am

Watch the path of the Sun in this one:


What do you think is causing the Sun to spiral and bob up and down while making its way around the galaxy center?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:02 am

Ah, now I know what you mean. I think that he made a mistake there. And by the way: That second animation is not as good as the first one.

I could imagine that he tried to show how the Sun spirals beacuse of the fact that the galactic center also moves, but then he made a mistake by showing odd movements. And it is also not clear why he mentioned the stellar wind in that animation (compare: 1:54-1:58).
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:56 pm

Do you think that our galaxy is a "vortex"?
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:33 pm

Arminius wrote:Do you think that our galaxy is a "vortex"?

I use the word "vortex" a little differently than that. Technically the galaxies are vortices, but when I say "vortex", I always mean a spiral that is elongated along a center line in the third dimension:
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If the galaxy center is traveling faster than and orthogonal to its plane of rotation, then it would be a vortex. I don't know that the center is traveling any faster or slower than the rest of the galaxy. And if it isn't, I would refer to it only as a "spiral".
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Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:01 am

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Do you think that our galaxy is a "vortex"?

I use the word "vortex" a little differently than that. Technically the galaxies are vortices, but when I say "vortex", I always mean a spiral that is elongated along a center line in the third dimension:
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If the galaxy center is traveling faster than and orthogonal to its plane of rotation, then it would be a vortex. I don't know that the center is traveling any faster or slower than the rest of the galaxy. And if it isn't, I would refer to it only as a "spiral".
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Yes. I really can totally agree with that.
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:20 am

Proxima Centauri b (also called Proxima b) is an exoplanet orbiting within the habitable zone of the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the Sun. It is located about 4.2 light-years (1.3 parsecs, 40 trillion km, or 25 trillion miles) from Earth in the constellation of Centaurus. It is the closest known exoplanet to the Solar System and the closest potentially habitable exoplanet known.

In August 2016, the European Southern Observatory announced the discovery of the planet. Shortly after the discovery, researchers investigating the habitable potential of Proxima b suggested that the exoplanet may be the nearest possible location for life beyond our solar system. Researchers think that its proximity to Earth offers an opportunity for robotic exploration of the planet in the future.

The planet was found using the radial velocity method, where periodic Doppler shifts of spectral lines of the host star suggest an orbiting object. From these readings, the component of its velocity relative to the Earth is about 5 km/h (3 mph). ....

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Left: This artist’s impression shows a view of the surface of the planet Proxima b orbiting the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the Solar System. The double star Alpha Centauri AB also appears in the image to the upper-right of Proxima itself. Proxima b is a little more massive than the Earth and orbits in the habitable zone around Proxima Centauri, where the temperature is suitable for liquid water to exist on its surface. Right: Artist's conception of Proxima Centauri b along with the Alpha Centauri binary system ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ntauri.jpg ).

.... Proxima Centauri b orbits its host star every 11.186 days at a semi-major axis distance of approximately 0.05 astronomical units (7,000,000 km; 5,000,000 mi), which is 5% of 1 AU (thus, Earth is 20 times farther away from its own host star, the Sun). Comparatively, Mercury, the closest planet to the Sun, has a semi-major axis distance of 0.39 AU. Proxima Centauri b receives from its host star about 65% of the amount of solar flux that the Earth receives from the Sun. However, Proxima Centauri b receives about 400 times more X-ray flux than the Earth receives.

The habitability of Proxima Centauri b has not been established. The exoplanet was announced as orbiting within the habitable zone of Proxima Centauri, the region where, with the correct conditions and atmospheric properties, liquid water may exist on the surface of the planet. Its host star is a red dwarf, with about an eighth of the mass of the Sun. Low-mass stars like Proxima Centauri burn for about 4 trillion years, ~330 times longer than the Sun will.

Proxima Centauri b is close enough to its star that it might be tidally locked, a state in which, over the course of an orbit, no net transfer of angular momentum occurs between a planet and its host star. If the planet's orbital eccentricity is 0, this could result in synchronous rotation, with one blazing hot side permanently facing towards the star, while the opposite side is permanently dark and freezing cold.

Proxima Centauri b's orbital eccentricity is not known with certainty, only that it is below 0.35 – potentially high enough for it to have a significant chance of being captured into a 3:2 spin-orbit resonance similar to that of Mercury. The European Southern Observatory predicts that a far more clement environment would result from such a configuration, with average temperatures similar to those on Earth. A large portion of the planet may be habitable if it supports a thick enough atmosphere to transfer heat to the side facing away from the star. Calculations reveal that the planet could have lost about 1 ocean's worth of water due to the early irradiation in the first 100–200 million years after formation. Liquid water may be present only in the sunniest regions of the planet's surface.

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Re: Universe and Time

Postby James S Saint » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:30 am

Arminius wrote:What do you think about that?

I suspect that it is almost entirely prejudice speculation for sake of public promotion of space travel. What I read of the theory and methods concerning it gave me the impression that someone was merely fantasizing. But the fantasy gets promoted as long as it fits the agenda.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:43 am

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:What do you think about that?

I suspect that it is almost entirely prejudice speculation for sake of public promotion of space travel. What I read of the theory and methods concerning it gave me the impression that someone was merely fantasizing. But the fantasy gets promoted as long as it fits the agenda.

Yes. That is right. Unfortunately.
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Re: Universe and Time

Postby Arminius » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:38 pm

TO ALL.

The physicist Harald Lesch said: "Unser Universum ist kein buddhistisches Universum, sondern ein protestantisches" (translation: "Our universe is no Buddhistic universe but a Protestant").

What do you think about that statement?
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