Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

speaking of hating the federal government, check this out. back in august i think it was, there was this. just a few weeks ago i received a letter from the state stating that i too am eligible for a similar hearing. now look at this:

  1. grady’s crimes were far more severe than mine, and he was also a recidivist. this should mean that there is no question that this thing should come off my leg. and yet, that decision might not be made by another judge… in which case we have conflicting opinions… in which case we have no objective law. the law amounts to an opinion of one guy or another on one day or another.

  2. i am expected to pay a public defender to bring my case before a judge. this means; i must pay for the state to restore for me one of my constitutional rights which it took away from me. add to this nonsense the fact that i wasn’t guilty of the crimes which got this thing on my leg in the first place, you have a glorious display of institutional corruption and incompetence.

  3. i will not receive any compensation for the ten years my constitutional rights have been violated and the inconveniences i’ve experienced as a result (socially and economically). state merely says ‘oh i’m sorry… here, let me take it off. have a nice day.’

when you get to have a piece of the action at levels such as this, you earn the entitlement, nay, the power, to criticize the state, and you’re anarchism/leftism becomes something more than just wearing the t-shirt or debating politics at the coffee shop.

but i shouldn’t say ‘my hatred’, because that’s too severe a word. one doesn’t hate a cockroach or an ugly piece of art. disgust, but not moral outrage.

interpretational discrepancies, i mean. the constitution is only as good as what guy X believes it means. i’m cool with that though because it means i get to have my own constitution. amendment six in mine is as follows: all officials participating in the practice of the criminal justice system will go fuck themselves.

Same thing. :sunglasses:

It’s a pipe dream. Most of the rich and the non-military workclass and poor will not be major players. Some may survive, sure. And hunters and survivalists and people close to the land with networks of other skilled people will have advantages. But no national socialist utopias with the working poor whites are going to arise in any significant way.

And you say this about the white working class, why exactly? I’m not a utopian, I’m a pragmatic and utilitarian authoritarian.

The level of joy and gratification displayed by the author of this OP exposes a motive.
A certainty underlies this joy, As though he is convinced that if America collapsed he would be a beneficiary.
I’ve gone though some of his other posts, and I’m left to wonder why he is going to college if the world will end, soon?
But to be serious, it is true that civilizations, like men, are born, rise and then decline towards death.
Spengler made the connection.
It is also true that this process is not instantaneous nor always dramatic. It can be, just as a man can fall to his death, ro be hit by a car and meet a sudden and untimely end, but this is more an exception than a rule, and it is always unforeseeable. The same can be said about empires and civilizations and cultures.
But there is a formula one can use to make an educated guess, because nothing is for certain, predicting the general time a man will die or an empire may collapse, if nothing unforeseeable occurs or some other external actor does not act as a mitigating force extending tis lifespan.

Hey there Satyr, I was wondering if you were going to take notice of me. Suspicions confirmed. :sunglasses:

Of course I have motives, everybody does. We all have our own individual psychological motives, don’t you agree?

Convinced that I would be a beneficiary of it? Of course I am, anything would be better than my current lot in life. That’s the marvel of having nothing left to lose and where even the thought of dying no longer concerns oneself upon fear. When you’re at the complete bottom of society there is only going up and if one should die in the process it becomes merely a release of torment.

I’m going to college like any gambling or hedging man, having something to fall back on no matter which way the wind blows. I believe that is called life diversification.

Of course it’s not instantaneous, the United States has been slowly falling or collapsing since the late 1970s where now in this epoch of time we’re in the final stages where afterwards comes the instantaneous spontaneous crushing event.

Civilizations slowly decline or collapse at first where overtime things speed up until the final instantaneous collapse comes under a series of events which then signals the death cross. In the technological era the collapse of whole entire societies is sped up even faster compounded by global communications. Ancient Rome didn’t have the internet, global communications, or the interconnectedness of economic globalization to contend with.

For me a nation’s or civilization’s health is purely economic and it is within economics I make my estimated guess as to when the event will transpire. I think this is very logical in developing objective calculations or valuations, don’t you? :sunglasses: Please share your thoughts.

Can you tell me of one empire that collapsed overnight or in a generation?

Your glee hides an resentment that is self-destructive.
how would you fair well if all collapsed and all became a free for all Mad Max world?
what talents do you possess that makes you so confident, and are you learning them in college?
Sucking cock doesn’t count.

:laughing: :sunglasses:

I would have a serious debate or conversation with you if you weren’t such an asshole whether you’re Lyssa or Turd Ferguson.

[That whole Trump is God comment in the other thread would make me believe you’re Turd because Satyr would never say such a thing as I know he hates Trump and neoconservatives as much as I do.]

You’re either Turd Ferguson trying to have a good laugh at everybody or you’re Lyssa that’s losing her shit mentally as she enters menopause.

I love watching you try to think.

Confirmed identity: That’s something Turd Ferguson would say.

Having a mid-life crisis because the God emperor isn’t coming through Turd? Sounds like you need to chill out and have an intervention. We’re here for you buddy if you can stop crying like a girl weeping like you’re on your monthly period.

Can’t get anything by that mind trap of yours.
I’m some kind of turd…for sure.

Yes you are Mr. Ferguson, yes you are. :sunglasses:

Prison is hyper-controlled in many ways, but hyper-chaotic in others, like being caged with wild animals.
Prisoners are under constant threat of violence, and scarcity, like if a fellow inmate is stealing your or extorting you for food, or if most of the readily available food is calorically and nutritionally deficient, meagre, nasty and toxic, and you have to barter, buy, extort or steal to get a decent meal.
A lot of them are hooked on drugs, coffee and cigs, again more scarcity, further stoking tensions.
The institution itself isn’t forcing them to racially segregate, it’s something they’re spontaneously doing, arguably in part as a reaction to violence and scarcity.

Of course gangs form outside of prison too and much or most of the time they’re race based.
Today our society is partly race based.
We kind of, sort of had a post-racial society briefly in the late 20th century, but that’s since been dissolved.
Racism hasn’t gone away, merely mutated.
In the early 21st century it’s socially acceptable for minorities to self-segregate, hold anti-white views and for the state to discriminate against whites, but as we’re seeing there’s a backlash brewing in the underground.
It’ll be interesting to see where race relations wind up in the mid 21st century.

Whatever societies are able to form in the aftermath of financial and political meltdown, should one occur, one way or another many, most or all of them in all likelihood will be race based.

If the federal government collapses, but many local governments don’t, which’s what I believe occurred in the soviet union, then we will have neat balkanization.
Today some states or regions are nearly totally white, some totally native, some mostly mestizo or mulatto, and some mixed.
In areas that’re near totally or predominantly homogeneous, where the local governments too are near totally homogenous, it’ll be natural for them to become race based.

The racially heterogenous federal government might lose control of many, most or all racially homogenous regions, or it might completely dissolve while some local governments remain intact, or are able to reform.

There’re degrees of collapse, it’s not necessarily all or nothing.

They do give a shit about race, just not in the usual, overt ways.
Jews have at least much if not most of the power in finance, government and media, at the upper echelons they’re highly organized and dedicated to promoting their national and racial interests.
They have the right under their control with Christian Zionism, and the left with white-guilt, which they use to prop themselves, and other minorities up at our expense.
Elites do care about race, whether it’s just a means of social control, or just because the plebs care about it, or because they actually care about it, and as things breakdown humanity will become even more tribalized, further compounding racial matters.

Well that’s where their holy book told them to build it, otherwise maybe they’d’ve built it some place less hostile, but then every piece of land on earth is occupied, so you’re going to have to kick someone out, and they’re not going to be too pleased with you afterward.

Jews are doing great.
They have all these social and political protections whites don’t in our own countries.
Their standard of living is highest among any demographic in the US.
The US has the highest opinion of Jews among any country in the world.
They have much or most of the control over our higher institutions.

Things are different these days, for the better when it comes to white nationalism because whites in the US are more racially unified than they were in Europe.
The average white American has multiple white sub-races within them, Irish, Italian, French, German, Polish, but little-no black or brown.
White Americans see themselves as white first, and whatever else second, unlike their European counterparts, who see themselves as Greek first, or Slovak first and so on.

I don’t know, there may be, I’m not sure why you think it’s unlikely.

Yugoslavia is a bad example. It was an artificial ethnos, made up of many tribes, held together by authoritarian Marxism.
the US is something different.
A culture of no culture. A multiracial, multi-cultural market.
A collection of the lost and hapless.

I never said such a collapse would be completely identical, only that it will be very similar. :wink:

Nice save.

It will not happen any time soon…sorry buddy.
I know you’re gathering canned goods, boots, flashlights, a tent, and sharpening your machete, but it may not happen in your lifetime.
I know you had your heart set on blood taking: amputations, castrations, decapitations, raping and pillaging…but no go.
Stick with the school stuff.

Never say never, for all your philosophizing you know nothing about international economics or current events, without knowledge of either you’re reduced to a ranked amateur. :sunglasses:

Whatever you say…maaaan.
I’ve been waiting for the collapse ever since you announced it 20 years ago…or was it 10?
Had a friend who urged me to buy silver and gold because the economy would collapse. that was 10 years ago, as well.

When an empire is in decline, crazies, like you, come out into the squares shouting
“The end is near!!! the end is near!!! Repent, pray to your god, for the end is near!!!”

it’s a sign that we’ve entered a Dark Age in Americanism. A long way down.

Yes, the crazies just like me. :sunglasses:

Let us see what our Nietzschean friend has to say when he is confronted by economics, I think our philosophical friend doesn’t understand basic economic principles. :sunglasses: Philosophy only gets you so far in discussions like these.

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