felix dakat wrote: felix dakat wrote:
I think most get my first line ... it's called the tribulation.
How many NT books teach the tribulation? In how many of those books is there a reference to something that can reasonably be interpreted as genocide? Shall we assume that the authors of the other books subscribed to the same teaching? On what basis? How do we even know which books they read if they don't tell us? Which of the 4 evangelists read Revelation? Did the author of the gospel of John write Revelation? You assume that the books of the Bible are harmonized and consistent and reflect a single unified POV. that's a fundamentalist assumption. You are refuting a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible based on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. That may work as a reductio ad absurdum
polemical tactic when arguing with fundamentalists but it makes no sense when you are arguing with me because I don't make that assumption nor have I argued for it.
Felix acts like he's onto something here. Perhaps, when arguing with him. Which is not what I'm doing. I'm posting on a forum, which is not about him. Methinks he might just be fault finding.
But let's talk about his point concerning the books and authors of the NT. That, the writers of the NT books may not have known of the other books.
Because the book of Revelation was written late in the first century, his point is likely the most true concerning this book. We can say for certain that the apostle Paul never read the book of Revelation. And because it was so late coming, that's probably true for many of the other writers of NT books too. Truth is we can't know how true this is.
However, since the book came so late, it's likely that whoever wrote the book of Revelation, "John of the isle that is called Patmos," whoever that was, read the other books of the NT.
So there's likely more backward coherency with other NT books, from Revelation, than forward coherency starting with Paul, then Mark (the first gospel written) and Matthew and Luke, and even the narrator of the gospel of John (whoever that was -- it's written anonymously). John too was publish in the late first century.
Forum posts can't do the coherency, or lack thereof, of the books of the NT justice. It would require great research and a book, at least, to do it justice.
However, we can more than question the coherency of the books and authors of NT books. It may be true that the gospel of Mark was first to be published and Matthew and Luke drew from Mark (and Q), but are the NT books as coherent with each other as we think today?
We look back to those early days and think that all the writers of NT books were in cahoots.
But all this comes from my statement that in the end, with the apocalypse in Revelation, there will be a world wide genocide.
So how many writers of NT books identified with the apocalypse spoken of in the book of Revelation, and identified with world wide genocide?
I present this question to all you smart folks out here. Please help me knock down the fault finding Felix dakat.
"My point, once again, is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally." – John Dominic Crossan
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