Attention: Christians - if your God is real, help is needed

[Mutcer]

Christians state their God is real and loves us all. They also state their God can do anything and knows everything. In light of this, I'd like for any Christians to have God put an immediate halt to the Waldo Canyon fire in Colorado Springs. And I don't mean for it to gradually burn out. But for it to just miraculously stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/western-wildfires/index.html

[Typist]

Somebody has a real big bug up their ass about Christians, but I can't figure out who it is. Jesus, if you're there, send us the answer to this question!!

[Uccisore]

Somebody has a real big bug up their ass about Christians, but I can't figure out who it is. Jesus, if you're there, send us the answer to this question!!

Jesus came to me in a vision and said it was Mutcer.

[Typist]

Aha, you see Mutcer, PROOF that Jesus is real!

Nobody else would have known the answer to that one!

[Mutcer]

Somebody has a real big bug up their ass about Christians, but I can't figure out who it is. Jesus, if you're there, send us the answer to this question!!

It's sad that your morals are in the wrong place. Assuming their God exists, I'm trying to work with Christians to help see that needless pain and suffering doesn't occur. And you wish to ridicule such a person. I can only take that to mean that you have serious doubts about this God friend of yours really being omniscient and omnipotent.

[felix dakat]

Christians state their God is real and loves us all. They also state their God can do anything and knows everything. In light of this, I'd like for any Christians to have God put an immediate halt to the Waldo Springs fire in Colorado Springs. And I don't mean for it to gradually burn out. But for it to just miraculously stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/western-wildfires/index.html

God is omniscient. The fire is probably accomplishing a greater good that we with our finite minds cannot discern. Hence, God is allowing it.

[omar]

Don't worry Mutcer. Anyone who dies because of this fire, if their hearts are pure, go to Heaven. Isn't that right Mutcer?

[Smears]

Dude god is burning that stuff to help us keep plants from overtaking us on earth. He made the world for us, and sometimes, because we are sinners, we get lazy and don't trim the bushes, so he helps us with these fires. It creates jobs too.

[V-OutOfTheWilderness]

Actually, Colorado is gonna vote on legalizing marijuana in November. So God is burning out the land so there will be lots of land to grow pot on ... It's Felix's "greater good."

[V-OutOfTheWilderness]

Another possibility is that Rick Perry, Texas Governor, is praying for rain in Colorado. When he did this in Texas, and threw a prayer-fest, of 30,000 evangelicals in Houston’s Reliant Stadium, God didn't send rain, He sent fires.

Proving, the last thing you ever want is for Rick Perry, and his evangelicals, to pray for you.

[Mutcer]

Christians state their God is real and loves us all. They also state their God can do anything and knows everything. In light of this, I'd like for any Christians to have God put an immediate halt to the Waldo Springs fire in Colorado Springs. And I don't mean for it to gradually burn out. But for it to just miraculously stop.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/western-wildfires/index.html

God is omniscient. The fire is probably accomplishing a greater good that we with our finite minds cannot discern. Hence, God is allowing it.

Allowing it would be omnipotence, not omniscience.

More importantly, if God were omnipotent, he wouldn't need to let a destructive fire occur and innocent people suffer to accomplish a greater good. He would be able to accomplish both the greater good - whatever it is - and prevent the fire from occurring. How do you reconcile that?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/aerial-vie ... 25746.html

[Mutcer]

Dude god is burning that stuff to help us keep plants from overtaking us on earth. He made the world for us, and sometimes, because we are sinners, we get lazy and don't trim the bushes, so he helps us with these fires. It creates jobs too.

Please explain why God is so lazy that when he chooses a place to burn, he doesn't ensure that innocent people who he loves don't suffer?

[V-OutOfTheWilderness]

Christians aren't stepping up ... or God has them on ignore :

Colorado wildfire: 346 homes lost, 1 dead in Waldo Canyon fire

Read more: Colorado wildfire: 346 homes lost, 1 dead in Waldo Canyon fire - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_20968480/colorado-wildfire-346-homes-leveled-by-waldo-canyon#ixzz1zCL7FPC1

[felix dakat]

More importantly, if God were omnipotent, he wouldn't need to let a destructive fire occur and innocent people suffer to accomplish a greater good. He would be able to accomplish both the greater good - whatever it is - and prevent the fire from occurring. How do you reconcile that?

Yes God could do it that way because God is omnipotent. But, God knows in God's omniscience that the way that includes innocent suffering achieves a greater good than the mere exercise of omnipotence can achieve. Exercise of sheer power is not always the best way. God knows that. Mutcers apparently don't.

[Typist]

Mutcers apparently don't.

The main thing the Mutcers among us don't know is that they belong to a religion that is just as faith based as Christianity. The Christians know they're using faith, the Mutcers don't.

[felix dakat]

Mutcers apparently don't.

The main thing the Mutcers among us don't know is that they belong to a religion that is just as faith based as Christianity. The Christians know they're using faith, the Mutcers don't.

According to the Urban Dictionary, a mutcer is "a really sweaty ass that leaks with fluid". I don't know what this Mutcer knows. Your hypothesis about his faith? I don't know. What do you suppose his faith is?

[Typist]

What do you suppose his faith is?

Faith in the limitless ability of human reason.

Just as Christians feel humans are subservient to an all powerful God, atheists feel a God would be subservient to an all powerful human reason.

[felix dakat]

What do you suppose his faith is?

Faith in the limitless ability of human reason.

Just as Christians feel humans are subservient to an all powerful God, atheists feel a God would be subservient to an all powerful human reason.

Maybe. I'd like for him to respond to this. It might help me understand his POV.

[Mutcer]

More importantly, if God were omnipotent, he wouldn't need to let a destructive fire occur and innocent people suffer to accomplish a greater good. He would be able to accomplish both the greater good - whatever it is - and prevent the fire from occurring. How do you reconcile that?

Yes God could do it that way because God is omnipotent.

That's all I need to hear. Thus God is either:
A) Immoral
B) Impotent

Which is it.

[Mutcer]

It should be noted that Colorado Springs is widely regarded as a stronghold of ultra-conservative christian fundamentalists where, for example, the corporate headquarters of Focus On The Family is situated. Ironically enough, the Flagstaff Fire that flared up this week near Boulder -- generally considered the state's most liberal and godless city -- burned only 300 acres and consumed no structures at all.

Must be God's infinite wisdom at work!

[Mutcer]

Mutcers apparently don't.

The main thing the Mutcers among us don't know is that they belong to a religion that is just as faith based as Christianity. The Christians know they're using faith, the Mutcers don't.

I don't belong to any religion at all.

Apparently you have faith that God will needlessly act immorally and allow the Waldo Canyon fire to burn out of control, causing great suffering of lots of people. I, on the other hand - if I were God - wouldn't allow suffering of that sort to happen, and with my omnipotent powers would still be able to accomplish that "greater good" Felix was talking about.

[Mutcer]

Mutcers apparently don't.

The main thing the Mutcers among us don't know is that they belong to a religion that is just as faith based as Christianity. The Christians know they're using faith, the Mutcers don't.

According to the Urban Dictionary, a mutcer is "a really sweaty ass that leaks with fluid". I don't know what this Mutcer knows. Your hypothesis about his faith? I don't know. What do you suppose his faith is?

What I do have faith in is that folks like you and Typist (not to forget James Saint as well), fail to see the light that an all-knowing, all-powerful God could easily prevent needless human suffering - and is therefore either impotent or immoral.

[Typist]

Apparently you have faith that God will needlessly act immorally and allow the Waldo Canyon fire to burn out of control, causing great suffering of lots of people. I, on the other hand - if I were God - wouldn't allow suffering of that sort to happen, and with my omnipotent powers would still be able to accomplish that "greater good" Felix was talking about.

All of this is based upon the premise that you, a human being on a little planet in one of billions of galaxies, are qualified to know what an entity like a god should do, how they should do it etc.

Where is the evidence that you or any other human being is smart enough to analyze and improve upon an entity defined as being the creator of all reality? Have you created any realities lately?

Your belief that human reason has such an ability is just as unsupported, and just as silly, as a belief in the virgin birth or the holy ghost or any of this other stuff you're trying to debunk.

There is simply no evidence that human beings would be qualified to analyze a god, should one exist. We can't even manage our economy, prevent wars, or avoid traffic jams.

You might consider making peace with faith, because like the rest of us, you're absolutely riddled with it.

[V-OutOfTheWilderness]

God is also bringing suffering on the east coast of America. Can Christians call their God off?

13 dead, millions without power in hot, stormy eastern United States
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/13-dead-3-million-without-power-in-hot-stormy-eastern-united-states/article4382853/

[Ierrellus]

Mark Twain did a good job on this topic in Letters From the Earth". Famers were praying for rain. People in need of a vacation were praying for sunny weather. So which should the "recording angel" submit to God as the neediest prayer? He also noted that, during the Civil War, both sides beieved God was on their side.
My son sees human lives as expendable and all souls as being reclaimed by God. I like his youthful idealism!