This is the same thing as saying evidence for the existence of a “god” is the fact that human experience isn’t rational. Then it might seem like our idea of “god” is irrational as well, if our ideas involve our experiences which aren’t rational. We would end up with a self refuting proposition.
I still see no reason to say because all experiences can’t be explained- God necessarily exists. That would seem to complicate things and make them more complex then they really are. What’s that fella’s name…“Okham?” The guy with the razor. (suddenly, Rafajafar appears spontaneously and posts the correct spelling, and a brief introduction)
I don’t see how this is so important though. Passing stories through tradition from generation to generation has a social and historical value, but why is that so great?
Prophecy is future seeing. If you can prove that events happen that are exactly the events that are forseen to happen, then you’ve got some cutting edge science, pal, let me be your manager.
Are you saying that not only is experience irrational, there IS a God and part of the evidence of this is the fact that events happen that have been claimed to be forseen?
We need to stop for a moment and agree on some definitions for these new terms and words and how they would relate. What is “wisdom?” Is it a type of knowledge? Ya’ know, I think I’ve used that word exactly twice in my life. It’s just a polished version of knowledge, made for story telling and fortune cookies. Sure, I’d use it in a narration or something, but would never feel the need to introduce it into my vocabulary(bleak at that).
I am interested in this. Please elaborate.
Why is that such a wonderful fact?
I don’t really know what you mean here.
You know what I like to do, Bob? When I spend more than thirty minutes discussing “religion” and “god” with someone, I like to cut to the chase. What we are really asking is “what happens when we die.” If we were to disembody and rise above as a spirit fully conscious and eternally “alive,” we’d answer a whole lot of our questions. Still, there you are…what now?
I am a very sad, selfish and secretly depressed person who doesn’t want to die, doesn’t want you to die, and doesn’t want the star to grow cold. What boggles my mind is that nobody else seems to really fret over what I consider a legitimate existential absurdity. I don’t even need to go further than to ask why is it even possible for it to be so. Obviously a brick doesn’t dislodge itself from a roof on the occasion of a passing man, slide down the tin, and plop a man dead, every day, but that’s not a point I think I need to defend myself from. It is just the possibility that that can happen that I place myself in that mans shoes and ask the questions we ask here. Forget about it, I don’t even need to consider war, natural disaster, disease, famine, poverty, etc. We don’t have to mention those things to make the point, right, because it is that man’s experience and welt on the head that we are dealing with. He tells a different story, he is as real of an experience as we are an experience of our own.
But this is just pouting.
I have considered some very radical “philsophical/scientific” ideas regarding “God” that far surpass what content the Bible might offer. As I see you make various references to tradition and its lore value, as well as religious literature, I’m not quick to react and feel like I need to defend my previous stance.
Aside from a few new words being intrduced; wisdom, interpretation, objective, irrational,; we’ve done nothing more than gotten farther from what we are really trying to ask and “proof,” if indeed there is, a “god.”
My point is that such a concept doesn’t even qualify logically, it needn’t be sure it made sense to me, it doesn’t even get that far. What I believe is so utterly simple, anything more than that evokes my suspicion. I also say that there is a great distinction between knowledge and belief, so I don’t run ahead and try to accept things I haven’t experienced myself. I am skeptical of all theistic religion. I’m sorry.
Especially in matters of “God,” because I would at least like to be sure that God was aware of that brick, that man, and the explaination he’d better have ready when the dude shows up wanting answers. This is tactless and rude. Whether it is metaphysically or ontologically possible that a God exists and we are here talking about him, makes no difference to me at this point. The concept is reckless, clumsy, and remains only a desperate belief in a God I would certainly hope didn’t exist. I could absolutely never be able to justify all the suffering, violence, struggle, and failure in the world no matter what I wanted to “belief” in, so any concept I could have of God would be very critical and weary.
The burden is ours, Bob, I’d like to think. This would give me something to do in this otherwise boring existence. To bear it.