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Bob. In what sense is a mystic a radical extremist? I mean it seems to me that the mystic is the ascetic guy in the desert screaming as best as he can that the rest of us aren't loving enough or what have you. He sees the problem, but the problem is that he is one of the few who see the problem, therefore his voice is the loudest.
Job is being consumed by his self-righteousness and the loss he has suffered. With Job you have the fact that he was a righteous man - and the rhetoric question: why does he then have to suffer? The whole story has more than one layer. It seems to have been worked on over generations. It is in the mystical experience that he is brought to his senses and can take up his life again.
The notion of purity was central to the ancient Jewish community
I think the mystics that you mention mess up like everyone else, it just seems to me that they try harder, which is also part of extremism.
Abram left his forefathers to become a man of God, leaving the clans idols behind. Her wasn't quite successful, he continually had problems - and even Jacob is still struggling with the family idols, two generations later. Israel always had problems with people wanting a God with a symbol, or a picture, or a statue or something. But the commandments forbid these things.
It may be that purity seems to be the issue, but I believe that Christ made it clear that you can't only wipe the surface clean, you have to go deeper. The Bible tends toward a simple fact: People are not morally pure and never will be. Only God is intrinsically good. And sin isn't impurity, but basically idolatry or even adultery.
People, in religion as elsewhere, wish to worship the effect instead of the cause, they want the physical embodiment, instead of the spiritual cause. They would rather appear successful instead of be successful.
What kind of specificity do you think religion capable of while still retaining truthfulness?
Or do you think it's more of a case of how one perceives the specific images indigenous to one's religion that is most important?
Bob, I love your attitude!
You seem very interested in psychology and the like, i haven't been paying attention, is that what you do for a living?
The wind bloweth where it will,
and thou hearest the sound of it,
but canst not tell whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
If I were so ready
and God could find room in me,
as He did in our Lord Jesus Christ,
then he would likewise fill me with a Flood.
Because the Holy Spirit
can't contain itself,
but has to flow in all places
where He finds room,
as far as He finds room.
We live in an age of contraception - perhaps spiritually too?
Past the seeker as he prayed came the crippled and the beggar and the beaten. And seeing them...he cried, "Great God, how is it that a loving creator can see such things and yet do nothing about them?"...God said, "I did do something. I made you."
Are there any other Jewish Theologians that you would recommend?
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