The bible says in the Gospel of Thomas," Once you have sex , you will become filthy, irrational, beast like, and you will exploit and decieve others for the sake of profit and security. … The beastlike will produce beast, while the babe will perfect his enlightenment"
True or false?
The book of the sirach, in the bible says, " If you remain a virgin or keep holy in your relationship and then finally get married , you will do well, but if you remain a virgin and observe my commandments, you will do even better"
In an ideal world, humans would not be overpowered and imbalanced by their desires, but ‘God’ ‘created’ us with the natural tendancy to become uncontrollably horny.
Nobody needs to sit and ponder sex for long. It is not complex at all. We have an attraction and a craving that gets aroused. ‘Nature’ wants us to get sexual as soon as possible. Sex counts as an interaction, which makes it – not only physical – but psycological, social and personal. Apart from the raw and simple emotion, there is a spider web of methodology of our actions and opinions about sex.
“Gospel of Thomas” probably was talkin’ about lust & greed.
What ever you do with your sex, don’t hurt no body!
Then when is it reasonable to have sex. It seems these days, the elementary kids or junior high kids are having sex already. Perhaps due to the media or the land of free porn in the internet, or whatsoever.
Since you claim yourself the greatest philosopher in the other thread. Sort to speak. How do you know what nature wants? Doesn’t nature changes when your knowledge change?
If this is true why would women be called sluts, if this is nature?
dan’s replys are not always striaght forward, understandable,to the point.
if anyone’s posts are like this it is a virtue.(striaght forward, understandable,to the point.)
i belive the biblical command of no sex before marrage is for the woman’s and primarily the child’s benifit. to neglect or waste a human life is outrageous.how often will the man vacate,the woman left pregnant?
another added to the army of single mothers.
i belive that is the strongest point of this ancient command.
Sex before marriage is a good idea, just so long as you don’t have so many partners that it becomes boring.
The reson that it’s a good idea is so that you know what you like and that you don’t end up with someone that has a boatload of sexual hang-ups and finds sex disgusting. A friend of mine married an ultra-Catholic who had a single-minded procreative stance and ended up having an affair with a very nice woman that we both knew. By this time though he had kids with his wife and couldn’t see leaving for the nice woman. So, YOU DO NOT want that happening to you. Know your partner before marriage.
Adler, don’t you think such a problem could be solved by honest communication between the two partners? Or do you think some might lie about it so they could then get married and then afterwards reveal the truth, hoping the now married partner would deal with it since s/he had made a commitment?
I believe that if your partner is frigid or has been trained to be hateful of sex they either don’t know it, or they know it and know it’s weird, so are unlikely to mention it. It’s a courtship kind of thing in the latter case.
In my friend’s situation his wife used to call him a pervert for wanting a blow job. So, I ask you , who would announce that before marriage? It could also be the case that his wife had never even heard of such an act, so even if she was inclined to ask then she couldn’t.
This kind of stuff comes down to knowing what kind of person that you are. If you would hate being with a man that ejaculates after twenty seconds (he was a friend’s husband) and then goes and watches sports you had better not hook up with a guy like that, because it will make you hate him and then look at other men. That’s an introduction to invite chaos into your life.
On a side note, I’ve known a large number of women that got divorces because their husbands won’t go to see foreign movies with them.
So, you have to figure out what you like, what they like, and how what you don’t is going to meet up. I think that much of that has to be done via the “actions speak louder than words method†because people either lie, engage in self-deception, or are ignorant.
Pleasure makes us think that something is ‘good’. Pain and fear make us think that something is ‘bad’. People add all kinds of jazz to the sexual process, but it is just a combo. #1- reproductive systems want to interact so that there can be babiez. #2- one giving the other pleasure/satisfaction is the root of any relationship.
I’m not the greatest philosopher, but I would like to be the greatest everything as soon as I can.
‘Nature’ is when two doggies have sex and then there are puppies later. ‘Civilization’ is a complex structure of morals and rolls. ‘Nature’ can be anything, and the word has lost all meaning because it can have almost any meaning…
We have a few basic desires/instincts, and the art lies in how efficiently and productively we act upon our central motivators.
Hey, it all depends on what country you live in. Some cultures have different family values then others…
Sex is like this :
And morals are like this :
And marriage is like this :
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Truck loads of wisdom, right there!
You’d all best read a hell of a lot of sex education documents. First hand experiance is not the best or fastest way to ‘learn’ here. Marriage is about finding someone you can be with forever. Sex is about finding someone you can be with for a night.
The strong sexual desires of humans reduce their logic and ideals to rubble. Kissing, attraction, etc, all lead up to sexual desire. The brain releases all of the “weee that was fun! gimmi gimmi gimmi!” and one person becomes addicted to the other [for better or for wrose]. All kinds of highs and lows.
They only way that ‘love’ can survive all of the crazey crap is if you both focus on solutions and understanding before/afterwords.
Why hide the truth? Fear.
That ‘hate’ comes because there was an unsatisfied desire. It is the fault of our choice of mates more often then we think. Blame shit is a defence mechanism.
MrMan here should ask her what she feels that she needs, and she should also be quick to tell him what she needs/wants from him.
