The origin of all religion: [SD8]

Originally man had no other explanation to his questions other then his imagination.
Human rulers of the people – inculcated the premise of human rulers of nature.
All of the gods looked like men, and some looked like women.
This ancient religious estimation had also taken on the same structure as the government, in which there was a religious hierarchy.
This eventually became organized religion, and this was man’s attempt at governing the unknown.
The “logical” right to certain unknown things such as what happens after people die – was the “right” of the religion, as it claimed such knowledge was its property. Religion soon layed claim to all of the unknown.
What ever ruled the secular lives of the people, found its way into the religious theories. Native American’s lives were ruled by nature, for example, and thus the spirits of nature and the animal-spirits/gods appeared to also be the controlling factors of the unknown.

Far later in civilization, science began to truly explain some things, but all of the ancient religions still felt as if they owned the unknown.
The things that scientists could not disprove – became the main and final property of the religions.

Originally out of mere ignorance, the Isrealite and Muslim cultures combined monarchy with the unknown, this creating the monotheism. The arrogance and petty ways of the king, combined with the craved virtue of the king – became the “personality” of the single “god”.
As time passed, ancient religions prepetually and grandually mutated into the modern cult and the modern traditional religion.
Within human psychology, there is a natural and inborn weakness that a man has – in which he estimates that a large group of people are right, even though they have no physical proof of their claim at that modern time. This human weakness – also became human “spirituality”. The natural desire to progress, and to somehow get beyond human limits – combined with the mystic theories, to form human “spirituality”.

I predict that only once technology provides what the religions promised but good not physically give – will ancient religion “die out”.
The desire to become immortal, the desire to stop suffering, the desire to know the future, the desire to get beyond human limitations – these are all the only fuel behind anything from occult to religion. A cure for old age, a cure for great suffering, an accurate prediction for the future, and physical/genetic upgrades, – these will eventually be humanly & physically possible.

Religious zeal – is a combination of brain washing, herding instinct and strong desire for understanding/power. Religion is not a sign of human advancement, it is a sign of human suffering and lacking.

I have already forgiven the “Jew” – I have forgiven the semitic culture and religion that contaminates many great nations, but I still consider it all a form of cruelty.
To lie to a child and invoke great fear by claims about hell, and to lie to a child and invoke great craving for heaven – this should not be allowed!
When you build a desire within a person, but never actually give them what you promised, this is cruelty.
Human spirituality should be left alone, and it should be freed from religion – but this will not happen today or tomarrow, because of how deeply these ideas bore into civilization.

Today, many people would rather die then give up their belief, because their belief promises them something better then life on earth.
This is a deep form of escapism, and I will consider it to be a mental illness.
Although I may feel frustrated with it all, I cannot stop it…
This “spiritual” guessing game about the unknown has always been rather fruitless, and for anyone to avoid religion all-together, would not be a bad choice.

“Because of the enormous intellectual inequality between man and man, the words of one man are held as a revelation by another.”

  • Schopenhauer

[cue despotism conspiracy]

“He who doth not plow the field and sew purple robes for the king shall burneth in the eternal fires”

“Seriously?! Oh shit…somebody get me a spool of yarn and a couple horses quick.”

[advance five hundred years]

“He who doth not work for minimum wage for me so I can buy a Mustang GT and a new set of tits for my wife, shall perish in the eternal fires”

“What!? No kidding? Okay, let me call Pedro and we’ll get right to work, Mr. Rockefeller. Thank you for providing us with the opportunity to be useful additions to society by helping you get that car and those tits. Jesus will be proud of us.”

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

But when the religion is not merged with law & state initially (example: Buddhism) then the religion suddenly becomes more of an idea then a tool for control of the mass.

One must always look for the history of a religion, to see what sort of agenda it had.

Hi Dan,

Then please do that and stop making assumptions.

Shalom

finding simularities between religion and government doesn’t prove anything but that man uses the same techniques everywhere.

Most religions say everything has a soul. But only humans have this self awarness. Only humans have an abstract side that can not be defined analitically with out losing meaning. Only Humans have desires to become more then animals (self awareness). Ect…

Is organized religion funded by god or men?
Is religion a disease or a cure?

Inspired by God funded by man. What religion makes a personal gain. They use as much as possiable for help. You say power is the gain,… power to help a person for one hour on a sunday? Or is there a bigger subconcious conspiracy?

I agree that a religion is fundamentally a set of assumptions about the unknown, and a religion is also, in a sense, an ‘attempt at governing the unknown’, but I don’t think the reality is quite as dishonest as your cynicism suggests. While some leaders (religious and otherwise) have always been corrupt, religion does generally aim to govern the result of the unknown within humans; emotional stability is threatened when people don’t know something. I see this as beneficial, so long as the members subscribing to a religion have done so willingly.

While religion being fused with monarchy seems contemptuous to our modern minds, do remember that the context is far from industrial society.

Zeal for a religious purpose is the result of the close tie between a religious aassumption and emotional security; it can obviously sometimes occur in less than preferable or righteous circumstances, but this is due to the circumstances, not the inherent structure of religions in general.

I also agree with you in the idea that a person should have a choice of whether to join a religion, but I don’t think it’s wrong for a parent to teach his/her child, so long as it doesn’t become coercion or brainwashing. I do think it’s wrong for a developed government to run based on religion.

Religion is prehistoric man attributing supernatural forces to natural forces he didnt understand( Eartquake,floods,hurricane etc) It just spiralled out of control from there.

Why the expression “out of control”?
Naturally, religion is a thing that not controlled by anyone, so in a exact form, it is “out of control”.

But this expression in it’s common-day use includes a negative meaning. This is basic semantics.
So, technically you’re saying that religion (any of them, apparently) is negatively spirallying phenomenon. In the same sence as an epidemic gets “out of control”; a genuenly negative thing.

Was is your meaning to pass on this kind of message, or did you just mean that religion developed from those original beliefs?
(I’d use the word ‘developed’ here.)

Problem with religion is its at odds with progression(the religions I know of at least). Religion has answers. Some take solace in those answers, others don’t.

What he meant, or at least I got form it, is that we no longer shape religion, but it shapes us.

That’s also possible. (Yet again, the language barrier is quite hard to get through flawlesly.)

But in sense, religions never been in control by man. I think that since the very beginning of religion, we’ve been in synthesis with it. Man shapes religion, religion shapes man.

Good example from native American religion: Most inidan religions went through a lot of changes from within, often through religious experiences. Reformational movements started from within the religional system and so it changed itself. All aspects of it are changed. (Referring for example to the 7-dimensioned religion categorization by Ninian Smart.)

Then again, there’s socialisation (hope I spelled it right…) aka. the principles to which a person is raised to. So religion shapes humans too. Both have effect on each other.

Hope I’m not way off here… :confused:

Both… and both.

Do you really want to cease science?

I don’t think religion can really be determined as “disease” or “cure”. It’s more complex than that.

This is balck-and-white -views again.
That makes me a saaad panda :cry:

I don’t know how relevant this is, but I believe in the spiritual right/obligation of people to define divinity and explore “God” on their own terms… expressed in it’s highest form through the act of inventing a new religion. They’re systems to arrive at a common ecstatic junction within the human person, yet can be subjectively appreciated much in the same sense as art.

Might this be the ultimate origin of all religions?

I agree with Ninian Smart on this; There is no origin that would be common to all religions. And in fact, if there was and we would discover it, what good would it do to us?

Religion is a multi-dimensional phenomena that’s developed from early animism and pre-animism, and overall, from the idea of ‘mana’.

While I have little sympathy for “primitive” religions, the OP is too one-sided to be accurate. A major function of religion is to provide meaning (to life, the universe, and everything :slight_smile:). That function can never be replaced by science, because science basically deals with the objective world only.

Science isn’t meant to deal with the subjective world of meanings, so I’m not saying there’s a problem with science itself. The problem is people who claims that there is no meaning to the world, simply because science hasn’t discovered it. Science is but a tool, like a hammer. To claim that all religions are false is like a hammer user claiming the whole world is made of nails, that nothing besides nails are real.