For Dan~, Watcher, etc: Quantifiable Belief

Alright, so we have belief as the main instrument for reality manifestations. Or rather, the breakdown or established external constraints on our beliefs.

The other day I was browsing through a web forum in which this 14 year old who is apparently quite a gifted psi-ball manipulator was teaching other, older, people her technique for levitating toothpicks. Now, what separates her belief in herself over my, apparently much more convoluted belief other than some sort of quantifiable essence?

Is there a type of threshold you must reach in order to unlock the key to seeing the universe (and yourself) for what it truly is? If so, is this threshold similar, comparable or universal in it’s ontology?

I would have assumed that everyone already understood that yes there is a type of threshold to reach before doing anything. And that does not exclude abilities such as possibly levitating objects. I already know and have seen things such as this being done, but before I will accept someones claim of achievement I would require visual proof first.

In order to do anything there must be a work towards it. You had to learn to walk before you could. You just didnt pop out walking around on your own. Same for speech, even your digestion. Your body had to develop the organs necessary to support itself before you were born.

As far as thresholds for the ability to perceive beyond what the normal person does yes… there has always been a threshold. I would say that philosophy actually prohibits this to an extent.

They say that you need an open mind… Rather you need a closed and focused one. People cant seem to understand this point. When you levitate the toothpick it requires focus.

It has always been extremely dangerous to open your mind too much. Especially in the realm of arcana. The more open your mind is the more ‘things’ that can just waltz in and manipulate you. The saddest thing is that that person becomes none the wiser.

Now as far as the seperation of beliefs that you feel gives the psi-baller such an advantage over the adult is called social engineering. Science calls such things mind tricks or hulabaloo. Well, its up to you to see who really has the open mind. People get trained to think they cannot float and object and therefor block their abilities by habit. Some people just do not realize what they have in them because of this.

How do we break this down though?

Clearly she started reading this stuff at a young age and therefore does not have years of bullshit suburbia clouding her brain… but I do.

In what regard? Logically? Thankfully I hated that class. And while i hope Obw is watching, I -loved- Existentialism :sunglasses:

For the most part, you just broke it down. Parents continually drill into childrens heads that these things are not possible or are not correct. In a matter of conformity they begin to ignore them. And when they have troulbe ignoring them they straight out Block them. Hence you have incredible disbelief when someone says something you cant believe becuase you can not long experience it due to your blocks.

When you open your mind, you lose control of it. It is there so that ‘others’ can get in and tinker and mold it they way they want. Why do you think that liberals complain about this so often? The know any sane person would never accept their crap. So they screech about openmindedness so that people will willfully relenquish their mental property for them to manipulate.

The general idea of philosophy is to open your mind so that you can be toyed with. If you like that, then you will fit in with the rest of the liberal crowd.

Closedminded people as they put it are shut off from their zombie zap. They dont care for intelligent people, dont get me wrong, they would like to have them but a zombie is still better than nothing.

If you open your mind you cant focus on anything, certianly not enough to levitate an object.

Instead of opening your mind, just focus on the topic and judiciously include it so that you wont have your mentality stolen right under your nose.

In the magical practices of arcana you are bidden to open your mind… why? So spirits can invade you of course. Just hope one does not decide to stay and help take the wheel, your in a lot of trouble then.

I would say most of arcanum practiced is via a medium. Very rarely would a person gain the power to perform works on their own. A barrier is around us and limits us. Working within it is a very difficult task. Which is why we are to open the mind to others not bound in the way we are.

Now some of the more experienced get smart of sorts. They try to get the mediums to interact with objects instead of through them. He he… tricky lil suckers for it too.

So the 14 year old is a Republican…

This troubles me greatly, as she lives in a socialist country :laughing:

Belief channels energy, which causes work, which causes experience, development, eventually understanding and ability.

I have a friend who can create real glowing white light when he concentrates all of his energy to a tiny area of the room, but he has practiced allot, has a history of psionics in his family and has a high energy level.

Your body is just a small part of the universe. It has its own behavior. Physical laws are behavior. Some people say that the outside world is made by minds, but minds are part of the outside world.

Spirit energy is a new form of energy which has its own laws and behavior. It slowly develops and extends its original physical laws and behavior as time passes. Ancient spirits tend to be more powerful then young ones.

Start by working on your greatest strengths.

Also consult an hypnotist to unlock certain parts of your sub-conscious mind if you wish to do so. It all takes time.

This isn’t some big “poof”. It takes time to develop each attribute.

Gobbo, is there anything on this planet that strains your innate gullibility? :wink:

Gullibility?
Hah!
Just because he doesn’t conform to modern materialism doesn’t mean he’s gullible.

Tell me, how good would technology be 1 million years from now if there wasn’t anyone ruining it? How many millions of years have/can things exist for? Like it or not, your technology is cave-man-shit compared to what ALREADY EXISTS somewhere else in this universe, too far away to give a damn whether or not your species commits suicide.

Your species? Dan~, is there something important that you are not telling us? Like, you’re one of these:

(20,000 x 6,500,000,000) x (planets per solar system average) x (chances of life per planet) / (age of the universe) = ?

Government bullshit? Corrupt Science? Heap after heap of steaming corporate manure?

Wait… why am I explaining myself?

Drake, is that you?

Dan, I wanna meet this dude who makes light orbs in the room. Can you arrange this meeting for me?

Some days are just plain upside down. Hey! I’m the one who is supposed to be fuzzily “open minded”, and you people are flying around in space panties! If this keeps up, I’m going to become a Republican and join Imp in the Cave of Gloom… :astonished:

He lives in UK. How close are you to the London-area?

Ok I am going to end this madness:

First of all "opening your mind Is NOT and I repeat NOT the same as relinquishing control of it. Opening your mind alows you to experiance and “focus” or “think” About new ideas or possibilities.

Second, Who is sane and who is not? Is that up to you? What is sane except what the curent society based on a background or religions and oppinions in mass states as such?

Thirdly, Willfully relinquishing your ideas and oppinions isnt necesary for you to learn, however hearing new ideas and actualy understanding what is said before making an oppinion or assumption is. Most of you humans just “Assume” and do rather than trying to comprehend somthing to make yourself evolve to a higher state decided and brought upon by “you”.

No, actualy the idea of Philosophy is to teach you how to think outside the box and see around corners to possibilities others might miss.

Again No, opening your mind allows for a wider range of concentration, it alows you unconcious mind to take hold and allows parts of your concious mind to function with the uncontiouse. If you didnt do this you would’nt be able to develope the skill of levitation in the first place.

Opening your mind or part of it allows you to access certain information that would otherwise be unavalible. You can have an open mind and at the same time focus energy into a task or option, and actualy this multiplies the effect rather than decreasing it.

Just out of curiosity how much do you know about the Arcana as you put it? You do not open your mind to let spirits in. This practice has nothing to do with the mind. During Magick the mind is opened to allow acess to knowledge in the unconciouse mind and access to its abilities and conections with the metaphysical essance housed inside the caporial form. (This is called “Invocation”) “Evocation” is when you call upon a spirit or entity to help you are to bargain with or whatever. When you say Dear God PLease help jhony’s leg heal to where it wont be amputated or PLease heal my mother so she wont die of cancer, These are evocation’s or Prayers (Yes the Christian religion uses magic and is actualy based upon it though they will tell you when used by God it is called power and only satan uses magick, but gues wht Magick is magick power is the force used to complete or empower the spell and the spell is the evocation or invocation…Gasp…

And dont get me started on this because then Dan~ will jump in and we’ll have a party with you as the main course.

Some entities can invade you yes some will. But that is just how things are and trust me We do not need you to “Open your mind” to do with you what we will. If an entity wants somthing it will get it unless you are capable of defending yourself and powerful enough to deny it. Most of the time you wont even notice them or what they are doing.

And just out of curiosity why would you be in trouble if one of these entities offered to share its knowledge for the ability to experiance the physicle through you? Is this not a symbiotic relationship benifiting both? Power, wisdom and knowledge in exchange for the ability to experiance “Through you”. This means your still in controle unless you decide to let whatever it is have controll. Believe me these entities are VERY protective of their host’s. And as Dan~ said to me awhile back in another discusion trade of somthing for another is the true Universal medium.

On a side note we must remember that Astral here is a Christian who probably lives in the Southern United states, Perhaps somewhere in the bible belt. So saying I can completely see where she has picked up this information.

Word’s for you Astral, If you want to learn for yourself and be closed minded, Then try closeing your mind to everything but yourself. This includes your church and the congragation and what they would have to say or teach you. Because if youo actualy researched any of the above conversation you might find you are completely wrong in all aspects. Very oppinionated (which is fine) and very gulible yourself. (By those of your own belief perhaps or those you trust)

Botom line being if you are going to give your advice make sure you take it first.