Fashion accessory

I haven’t seen Mel Gibsons “The Passion” but I hear the violence in it sickened a lot of people. Good :slight_smile:
The film reminds us that Jesus isn’t a fashion accessory to be worn on a tiny silver crucifix round peoples necks, and that crucifixion was a filthy business -

CRUCIFIXION (Medical report by Dr. C.Truman Davis)

The Roman legionnaire steps forward with the flagrum (or flagellum) in his hand. This is a short whip consisting of several heavy, leather thongs with two small balls of lead attached near the ends of each. The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across Jesus’ shoulders, back, and legs. At first the thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper into the subcutaneous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles. The small balls of lead first produce large, deep bruises which are broken open by subsequent blows. Finally the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. When it is determined by the centurion in charge that the prisoner is near death, the beating is finally stopped.

The half-fainting Jesus is then untied and allowed to slump to the stone pavement, wet with His own blood. The Roman soldiers see a great joke in this young carpenter claiming to be king. They throw a robe across His shoulders and place a stick in His hand for a scepter. They still need a crown to make their travesty complete. Flexible branches covered with long thorns (commonly used in bundles for firewood) are plaited into the shape of a crown and this is pressed into His scalp. Again there is copious bleeding, the scalp being one of the most vascular areas of the body. After mocking him and striking him across the face, the soldiers take the stick from his hand and strike him across the head, driving the thorns deeper into His scalp. Finally, they tire of their sadistic sport and the robe is torn from his back. Already having adhered to the clots of blood and serum in the wounds, its removal causes excruciating pain just as in the careless removal of a surgical bandage, and almost as though he were again being whipped the wounds once more begin to bleed. In deference to Jewish custom, the Romans return his garments.

The heavy patibulum of the cross is tied across his shoulders, and the procession of the condemned Christ, two thieves, and the execution detail of Roman soldiers headed by a centurion begins its slow journey along the Via Dolorosa. In spite of his efforts to walk erect, the weight of the heavy wooden beam, together with the shock produced by copious blood loss, is too much. He stumbles and falls. The rough wood of the beam gouges into the lacerated skin and muscles of the shoulders. He tries to rise, but human muscles have been pushed beyond their endurance. The centurion, anxious to get on with the crucifixion, selects a stalwart North African onlooker, Simon of Cyrene, to carry the cross. Jesus follows, still bleeding and sweating the cold, clammy sweat of shock, until the 650 yard journey from the fortress Antonia to Golgotha is finally completed. Jesus is offered wine mixed with myrrh, a mild analgesic mixture. He refuses to drink. Simon is ordered to place the patibulum on the ground and Jesus is quickly thrown backward with his shoulders against the wood. The legionnaire feels for the depression at the front of the wrist. He drives a heavy, square, wrought-iron nail through the wrist and deep into the wood. Quickly, he moves to the other side and repeats the action being careful not to pull the arms too tightly, but to allow some flexion and movement. The patibulum is then lifted in place at the top of the stipes and the titulus reading “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews” is nailed in place. The left foot is now pressed backward against the right foot, and with both feet extended, toes down, a nail is driven through the arch of each, leaving the knees moderately flexed.

The Victim is now crucified. As he slowly sags down with more weight on the nails in the wrists excruciating pain shoots along the fingers and up the arms to explode in the brain – the nails in the wrists are putting pressure on the median nerves. As he pushes Himself upward to avoid this stretching torment, He places his full weight on the nail through his feet. Again there is the searing agony of the nail tearing through the nerves between the metatarsal bones of the feet. At this point, as the arms fatigue, great waves of cramps sweep over the muscles, knotting them in deep, relentless, throbbing pain. With these cramps comes the inability to push himself upward. Hanging by his arms, the pectoral muscles are paralyzed and the intercostal muscles are unable to act. Air can be drawn into the lungs, but cannot be exhaled. Jesus fights to raise himself in order to get even one short breath. Finally, carbon dioxide builds up in the lungs and in the blood stream and the cramps partially subside. Spasmodically, he is able to push himself upward to exhale and bring in the life-giving oxygen. It was undoubtedly during these periods that he uttered the seven short sentences recorded: The first, looking down at the Roman soldiers throwing dice for His seamless garment, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” The second, to the penitent thief, “Today you’ll be with me in Paradise.” The third, looking down at the terrified, grief-stricken adolescent John – the beloved Apostle – he said, “Behold your mother.” Then, looking to His mother Mary, “Woman behold your son.” The fourth cry is from the beginning of the 22nd Psalm, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Hours of limitless pain, cycles of twisting, joint-rending cramps, intermittent partial asphyxiation, searing pain where tissue is torn from his lacerated back as he moves up and down against the rough timber. Then another agony begins…A terrible crushing pain deep in the chest as the pericardium slowly fills with serum and begins to compress the heart. One remembers again the 22nd Psalm, the 14th verse: “I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.”
It is now almost over. The loss of tissue fluids has reached a critical level; the compressed heart is struggling to pump heavy, thick, sluggish blood into the tissue; the tortured lungs are making a frantic effort to gasp in small gulps of air. The markedly dehydrated tissues send their flood of stimuli to the brain. Jesus gasps His fifth cry, “I’m thirsty”
One remembers another verse from the prophetic 22nd Psalm: “My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou has brought me into the dust of death.” A sponge soaked in posca, the cheap, sour wine which is the staple drink of the Roman legionaries, is lifted to his lips. He apparently doesn’t take any of the liquid. The body of Jesus is now in extremes, and he can feel the chill of death creeping through his tissues. This realization brings out his sixth words, possibly little more than a tortured whisper, “It’s finished.” His mission of atonement has completed. Finally he can allow his body to die. With one last surge of strength, he once again presses his torn feet against the nail, straightens his legs, takes a deeper breath, and utters his seventh and last cry, “Father! Into your hands I commit my spirit.”

The rest you know. In order that the Sabbath not be profaned, the Jews asked that the condemned men be dispatched and removed from the crosses. The common method of ending a crucifixion was by crurifracture, the breaking of the bones of the legs. This prevented the victim from pushing himself upward; thus the tension could not be relieved from the muscles of the chest and rapid suffocation occurred. The legs of the two thieves were broken, but when the soldiers came to Jesus they saw that this was unnecessary. Apparently to make doubly sure of death, the legionnaire drove his lance through the fifth interspace between the ribs, upward through the pericardium and into the heart. The 34th verse of the 19th chapter of the Gospel according to St. John reports: “And immediately there came out blood and water.” That is, there was an escape of water fluid from the sac surrounding the heart, giving postmortem evidence that Jesus died not the usual crucifixion death by suffocation, but of heart failure (a broken heart) due to shock and constriction of the heart by fluid in the pericardium…

I think Mel overdid it. It followed the descriptions in “the dolorous passion” by Catherine Emmerich and not neccesarily the gospel accounts. Jesus told us to remember his body was broken by simply breaking bread and drinking wine. I think an over emphasis on the gore of the cross is unhealthy (Read emmerich and you’ll know what I mean). Whether he was flogged to the bone or not seems immaterial.

You’d have to be pretty milk-fed and faint of heart to find the violence of The Passion to be extreme, unless it your first R-rated movie experience. It was a bit gory compared to Bambi but pretty mild compared to, say, Saw.

I can’t understand why people get so misty over the idea that Jesus would have undergone such treatment “for us.” Millions of people have died more horrific deaths for no good reason, and they didn’t have assurances from their Dad that death would only be temporary. On the contrary, it seems to me his blubbering plea to God to evade his impending death was a shocking display of cowardice, given his divine nature. Many men have gone bravely to their deaths without a wimper even though they had no reason to expect Divine Mercy.

Phadreus quote - it seems to me his blubbering plea to God to evade his impending death was a shocking display of cowardice, given his divine nature. Many men have gone bravely to their deaths without a wimper even though they had no reason to expect Divine Mercy

Sure, Jesus said to God “I don’t want to die tomorrow,please get me out of it if you can”, but that raises 3 interesting points -
Firstly it underlines his human half which makes us feel all the closer to him because we’re human too…
Second, his “divine nature” wasn’t as divine as most people think, he himself once had to tell people “Don’t keep calling me ‘Good Master’, only God is good”, which indicates he knew he was far from perfect…
Third - bible critics say the Bible has been edited and censored and prettied up over the centuries to look good, but if that’s true why did the “censors” leave in the bit that shows Jesus in a bad light where he’s “cowardly blubbering” as you put it? :slight_smile:

Those 3 points might be interesting to you, but none of them address the statement you quoted. And keep your straw man arguements to yourself; you allude to nameless ‘bible critics,’ but I’ve said nothing of the sort to you.

Assuming for the sake of arguement that the Bible is all true and that Jesus was a historical person, and again assuming he’s literally the son of God, don’t you think it’s odd that he’s fear death so? So many have faced their own deaths stoically; if I were Christian I’d find it unnerving that my own Savior couldn’t face death courageously. That’s all I’m saying.

Phadreus quote - assuming he’s literally the son of God, don’t you think it’s odd that he’s fear death so?
…And keep your straw man arguements to yourself…

Jesus was half-human and had the full range of human emotions including fear, no big deal…
As for straw men,I think Wiccans deserve a medal for burning Edward Woodward inside that Wicker Man, he thoroughly deserved it for his bad acting…