Modern Thinker's Creed

Modern Thinker’s Creed
Steve Turner, English journalist

Here is the creed for the modern thinker.

We believe in Marx, Freud and Darwin.

We believe everything is okay, as long as you don’t hurt anyone to the best of your definition of hurt and to your best definition of knowledge.

We believe in sex before, during and after marriage.

We believe in the therapy of sin.

We believe that adultery is fun.

We believe that sodomy is okay.

We believe that taboos are taboo.

We believe that everything is getting better despite evidence to the contrary.

The evidence must be investigated and you can prove anything with evidence.

We believe there is something in horoscopes, UFO’s, and bent spoons.

Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Mohammad and ourselves.

He was a good moral teacher, although we think basically his good morals were really bad.

We believe that all religions are the basically the same, at least the ones we read were.

They all believe in love and goodness.

They only differ on matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God and salvation.

We believe that after death comes nothing because when you ask the dead what happens they say nothing.

If death is not the end, and if the dead have lied, then it’s compulsively heaven for all except perhaps Hitler, Stalin and Chingis Khan.

We believe in Masters and Johnson.

What is selected is average, what’s average is normal, and what’s normal is good.

We believe in total disarmament.

We believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed.

Americans should beat their guns into tractors and the Russians would be sure to follow.

We believe that man is essentially good - it’s only his behavior that lets him down.

This is the fault of society; society’s the fault of conditions; and conditions are the fault of society.

We believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him and reality will adapt accordingly; the universe will readjust and history will alter.

We believe that there is no absolute truth, except the truth that there is no absolute truth.

We believe in the rejection of creeds and the flowering of individual thought.

If Chance be the Father of all flesh, disaster is His rainbow in the sky.
And when you hear: “State of Emergency,” “Sniper Kills Ten,” “Troops on Rampage,” “Youths go Looting,” “Bomb Blasts School,” it is but the sound of man worshipping his maker.

A bit confused as to the purpose of this piece. Is it satirical, mocking, or just a statement?

I think all of those. Mainly satirical, little mocking, but he is taking it serious as well so it could be considered somewhat of a statement. It was also based off Nietzsche work from what I’ve been told.

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I read this and somehow felt compelled to offer my reflection and own opinions on this matter. In the end, I wouldn’t call myself a “modern thinker” of Mr. Turner’s…

Marx lived in a pipe dream, Freud’s method is barely used anymore in modern psychology, and Darwin had an idea about the big picture but never polished the fine details.

Sure… that sounds broad enough. It reads like something that would be in a universal law code for the world.

Allowing oneself to explore the nature of human intimacy is one way of preventing oneself from becoming severely messed up in the head. Let’s face it, sexual repression is not good for society. Russell expounded on this thoroughly.

I don’t really understand this one because I don’t believe in sin.

Can’t really speak on that one because I’ve never had a reason to commit adultery. I’m happy with what I’ve got.

I don’t think sodomy is okay if it’s going to be done to me, but if that’s what gets your motor running, do it in private and with people who are willing… please, please, please keep it private.

Nothing is suprising… is that it? I don’t agree… there are always taboos. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are taboos.

Bullshit. Check this out…

It depends on the evidence.

Hogwash! Horoscopes are jaded attempts at simplifying the extremely complex systems of astrology, UFOs are merely secret government projects that have its roots in Nazi expiraments with creative aircraft designs, and bent spoons are extremely difficult to eat with… especially if there is no spoon!!

If Jesus really existed, the guy sure didn’t seem good to the Jewish population. Mohammad was really messed up in the head… and Buddha could be anyone, unless you mean Guatama; in which case I couldn’t say since I never met the guy.

Who, Jesus? I don’t know, the guy had some really bad karma biting him in the ass… I mean, he wanted to bring a new religion to his people and they killed him for it. Also, it really depends on which morals we’re talking about… you have the Christian Gospels inducted by Constantine… and the “heretical” Gnostic Gospels banned by the same guy to quench out the rivalries between competting churches.

To a degree, all are the same and all are different… it just depends on what topics are being compared and contrasted. Take world flooding… just about every religion talks about it. How about the end of the world…? Yeah, just about every religion talks about that one too. Love and compassion for all, even enemies? Hmm… that one’s a big contrast.

They? They who? I can only assume with conviction that the “love and goodness” is meaning Christians. What… non-Christians don’t believe in love and goodness either? Silly Mr. Turner… Trix are for kids!

Christians again, eh? Well… I can’t say that they “only differ” on those matters, but they do spend a lot of time musing about such things. As long as time is spent productively for the benefit of society, does it matter what it’s spent on?

I’ll be honest; I haven’t made up my mind about what comes after death, but it looks like Mr. Turner is all about Nietzchean nihilism.

Hmmm… I am perplexed.

Now I really am perplexed.

o_O … That’s not always the case…

Dealing with humans, this is a pipe dream, and yet I strive to be a pacifist.

It’s pretty hard not to have such a link, but bloodshed can occur under other circumstances.

That would be hard considering the number of gun nuts in America. Regardless… there are better things to melt guns into.

Well, if he wasn’t essentially good, he wouldn’t have lasted this long.

Society is what man makes it to be?

The more things change, the more they stay the same, yes?

I neither affirm nor disregard such a possibility.

What kind of creeds? I would disagree if it is a matter of personal creeds… personal ethics to which an individual governs their life. There are also public secular creeds that serve the common good (like respect of authoritive figures such as the police who repay respect with the propagation of order and law).

o_O … Okay…

I think someone here is swiming in a sea of useless opinion…

I think that people want to catagorize uniqueness and composites with a quick, black/white label. What a waste of mind.

Haha, sagesound I laughed at how you’ve embarrased yourself here. It’s ok though, we all misunderstand things. Sorry but it’s all so true, and you have horrible defenses here.

The best part of the whole thing is “If chance be the father of all flesh, than disaster is his rainbow in the sky” Beautiful and so true.

I realize he’s using broad generalizations here, but generally this is what atheist and humanist believe. By the way, “we believe things are getting better despite evidence to the contrary” …I’m just goin to guess that this video was of Mrs. Phelps the psycho, if it was I don’t see what this has to do with the suffering and killing in our world today as atheist see it getting better.

I think this also kinda includes left wing activist, with the guns into tractors and the russians would follow, I find that pretty funny. As well as many others.

Lol and as far as the “they all believe in love and goodness” it’s just showing how incredibly ignorant most Humanist atheist are as to religion. But if your best defense is to misinterpret the meaning than oh well, you guys do it with the bible so I’d expect you to do it here as well, that is your best defense anyway.

Club - if this is supposed to be anything to do with Nietzsche, then I suggest you read some Nietzsche. As an exegesis of his thinking, it is pure crap. As even a broken clock is correct twice a day (to quote a friend) there are some points of tagential agreement with N. But totally misunderstanding a thinker does not allow for a rejection of that thinker. You’ve been told wrong.

I don’t know who this actually describes, but perhaps a modern dope. Or an ancient one.

As humor, however, I guess it works.

It seems to me Club doesnt no his philosophy as well as he knows his religion…

Heres a question Club(I will make it easy to start with)…what was Plato’s real name?

Based off quite alot of Nietzsche’s work, that doesn’t mean all of it, and in no way am I saying that Nietzsche didn’t make good points. He made alot of good points, and alot of them actually help Christian apologetics rather than hurt. As you can see some of this is based of Nietzsche’s relativism theories. Nietzsche was also satirical in many of his teachings, such as Steve Turner is being here. As Ravi Zacharias say’s “We taught student’s at Ivy League schools that morality is relative, and then when they went to wall street and started living with their moral relativism we put them behind bars.”

I can go into a better discussion of Ravi’s points about Nietzsche if you want, just tell me.

As for you hellspawn, I think your the new Mick, only hell style. At least have some maturity about you like faust.