Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Arcturus Descending » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:43 pm
Come to think of it, if there is a God, and this God holds to our moral standards, we are all doomed!!
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:31 pm
Arcturus Descending wrote:Come to think of it, if there is a God, and this God holds to our moral standards, we are all doomed!!
What if there is a God, but this God grants an eternity of paradise to those who intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically evaluate the available evidence, but sends the gullible to a fiery pit of hell?
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:34 pm
Moreno wrote:You still have not acknowledged that you have made claims. You seem to think that if someone else has made a claim, especially if you consider it one less likely to be true, you do not need to back up your claims. That makes no sense if you think claims bear burdens of proof. Unless you think only theists must back up their claims.Mutcer wrote:Yes, I heard you claim God exists. Not in those precise words.
If I were to posit that a thousand unicorns are roaming the Arctic icecap, if you were to say I don't have sufficient evidence to legitimately make that claim, would the burden of proof be just as much on you to show I didn't have sufficient evidence to make such claim as it is on me to show there are a thousand unicorns roaming the polar icecap?
The one who initially posits a claim is the one who has the burden of proof and should back up their claim. The respondent to that claim (me) is merely stating that they don't accept that claim. Granted it is a claim, but it isn't subject to burden of proof.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by James S Saint » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:36 pm
Mutcer wrote:Arcturus Descending wrote:Come to think of it, if there is a God, and this God holds to our moral standards, we are all doomed!!
What if there is a God, but this God grants an eternity of paradise to those who intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically evaluate the available evidence, but sends the gullible to a fiery pit of hell?
Simple.. then you would all go to that fiery pit of Hell.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony 
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:38 pm
James S Saint wrote:Mutcer wrote:Arcturus Descending wrote:Come to think of it, if there is a God, and this God holds to our moral standards, we are all doomed!!
What if there is a God, but this God grants an eternity of paradise to those who intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically evaluate the available evidence, but sends the gullible to a fiery pit of hell?
Simple.. then you would all go to that fiery pit of Hell.
Seems you have things backwards. I do intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically evaluate all the available evidence.
While it can't be proven that the miracles of the Bible didn't occur, the preponderance of the evidence strongly suggests they did not occur. We actually should start a separate thread for this, but I'll go on. Key points:
- Insufficient first hand accounts from a reasonable amount of credible witnesses
- No other known/documented accounts of similar miracles occurring
- Man has set a precedent of writing mythology, and the miracles sound very similar to mythology
- The scriptures have been translated from languages that didn't allow for word for word translation
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Typist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:52 pm
Mutcer wrote: I do intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically evaluate all the available evidence.
Ah, then please do intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically share the evidence that you are in position evaluate what does or doesn't lie at the heart of all reality.
For starters, you might define reality for us. How big is it? Where are it's boundaries? What lies beyond it's boundaries? If you propose it is infinite in size, wouldn't all statements about reality then require infinite evidence?
If you can't define reality, upon what reasoning would you then claim to know what is or isn't contained within something you can't define???
You are claiming to know. This is a claim. This is YOUR claim. Please provide evidence to support YOUR claim.
If you should instead wish to say the burden lies elsewhere, go sit in the corner and count to some infinite number before posting again.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:13 am
Typist wrote:Mutcer wrote: I do intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically evaluate all the available evidence.
Ah, then please do intelligently, rationally, responsibly and critically share the evidence that you are in position evaluate what does or doesn't lie at the heart of all reality.
Please define "heart of all reality".
For starters, you might define reality for us. How big is it? Where are it's boundaries? What lies beyond it's boundaries? If you propose it is infinite in size, wouldn't all statements about reality then require infinite evidence?
How about you answer those questions based on your perception of reality and I'll tell you if I agree with you.
If you can't define reality, upon what reasoning would you then claim to know what is or isn't contained within something you can't define???
Poor analogy. I'm not the one who posited an all-knowing, all-powerful God. Christians did.
You are claiming to know. This is a claim. This is YOUR claim. Please provide evidence to support YOUR claim.
I am claiming to know what?
If you should instead wish to say the burden lies elsewhere, go sit in the corner and count to some infinite number before posting again.
The burden of proof lies with the Christians who are positing that a God exists. I'm merely sharing why their claims appear to be unsubstantiated and not of good faith.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Typist » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:23 am
I am claiming to know what?
You're claiming to know that human reason is qualified to analyze the question of whether a god exists or not.
I'm not the one who posited an all-knowing, all-powerful God. Christians did.
You're the one positing an equally speculative claim, which you refuse to provide evidence for. There is no fundamental difference between your position and that of Christians.
The only opportunity to deflect this characterization is to stop tap dancing around the challenge, dodging, dodging, dodging, and squarely meet the burden of defending your claim.
Please note: I am only asking you to do the very same exact thing you are demanding of Christians.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:05 am
Typist wrote:I am claiming to know what?
You're claiming to know that human reason is qualified to analyze the question of whether a god exists or not.
It is qualified, as the assertion about God which Christians are making is a scientific claim.
I'm not the one who posited an all-knowing, all-powerful God. Christians did.
You're the one positing an equally speculative claim, which you refuse to provide evidence for. There is no fundamental difference between your position and that of Christians.
What is my "equally speculative claim"?
The only opportunity to deflect this characterization is to stop tap dancing around the challenge, dodging, dodging, dodging, and squarely meet the burden of defending your claim.
Please note: I am only asking you to do the very same exact thing you are demanding of Christians.
If you're talking about my claim that Christians don't have sufficient evidence to support that the God of the Bible exists, see my other threads. Among them:
- the conflict of omniscience and omnipotence
- the evasiveness of Christians
- the problem of evil
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Typist » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:20 am
It is qualified, as the assertion about God which Christians are making is a scientific claim.
Ok, I accept calling it a "scientific claim". A claim about the nature of reality. Fair enough. But you still can't just declare reason qualified to address this issue without an investigation.
The Christian claim, and your claim too, are claims about something said to be central to reality. The Christians claim God is central to all reality, and you claim human reason is able to analyze all of reality. So let's try this...
Can you even define reality?
If you can't define reality, if you don't know how big it is or where it's boundaries might be, how do you know that human reason is applicable to all of this something which you can't begin to define?
What is my "equally speculative claim"?
How many times are you going to make me type it? Do you have a reading deficient disorder or something?
If you're talking about my claim that Christians don't have sufficient evidence to support that the God of the Bible exists, see my other threads. Among them:
- the conflict of omniscience and omnipotence
- the evasiveness of Christians
- the problem of evil
One last time.....
I'm talking about YOUR claim.
NOT THE CHRISTIAN CLAIM.
Your claim, that human reason is capable of analyzing questions the scale of the God proposal. And speaking of evasiveness, you're pretty handy at it yourself.
Defend your claim please.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by V-OutOfTheWilderness » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:53 am
Typist Is what you keep saying : Is reason qualified to understand reason?
And just wondering : Does a baby partake and relate to reality ... whatever it is?
Can a speck of reality know the whole of reality?
As a devote Christian, laying my whole life on the line, I've done it. Out of strong desire to know God, with a head full of dreams, I've had to anthropomorphize God in order to "understand" Him ; essentially, understanding my own invention. And I saw many other Christians do the same thing ... basing their imaginations on The Very Word of God.
We can't deny that it's human to take seriously our own mental inventions. It's the snake eating its own tail ...
And just wondering : Does a baby partake and relate to reality ... whatever it is?
Can a speck of reality know the whole of reality?
As a devote Christian, laying my whole life on the line, I've done it. Out of strong desire to know God, with a head full of dreams, I've had to anthropomorphize God in order to "understand" Him ; essentially, understanding my own invention. And I saw many other Christians do the same thing ... basing their imaginations on The Very Word of God.
We can't deny that it's human to take seriously our own mental inventions. It's the snake eating its own tail ...
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There's a serpent in every paradise ...
When gods wish to punish they answer our prayers ...
“We're making it up. The world, the universe, life, reality. Especially reality.”
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It's not God I have a problem with. It's his fan club ....
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by James S Saint » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:07 am
Much like physics, it isn't an issue of whether it is man made, but rather whether it fits reality and to what degree.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:58 pm
Typist wrote:It is qualified, as the assertion about God which Christians are making is a scientific claim.
Ok, I accept calling it a "scientific claim". A claim about the nature of reality. Fair enough. But you still can't just declare reason qualified to address this issue without an investigation.
I have conducted an investigation.
- conflict of omniscience/omnipotence/free will
- problem of evil
- evasiveness of Christians
The Christian claim, and your claim too, are claims about something said to be central to reality. The Christians claim God is central to all reality, and you claim human reason is able to analyze all of reality. So let's try this...
Humans can't analyze all of reality. If the Christian God is real, it can't be analyzed, as it can't be observed or scientifically measured.
Can you even define reality?
Yes.
re·al·i·ty [ree-al-i-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural re·al·i·ties for 3, 5–7.
1.
the state or quality of being real.
2.
resemblance to what is real.
3.
a real thing or fact.
4.
real things, facts, or events taken as a whole; state of affairs: the reality of the business world; vacationing to escape reality.
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If you can't define reality, if you don't know how big it is or where it's boundaries might be, how do you know that human reason is applicable to all of this something which you can't begin to define?
I don't know
What is my "equally speculative claim"?
How many times are you going to make me type it? Do you have a reading deficient disorder or something?
I've made numerous claims/assertions in this message board. Which one(s) are you talking about?
If you're talking about my claim that Christians don't have sufficient evidence to support that the God of the Bible exists, see my other threads. Among them:
- the conflict of omniscience and omnipotence
- the evasiveness of Christians
- the problem of evil
One last time.....
I'm talking about YOUR claim.
NOT THE CHRISTIAN CLAIM.
Once again, which of my claims are you talking about?
Your claim, that human reason is capable of analyzing questions the scale of the God proposal.
Where did I make that claim? Or did you take one of my claims and reword it to suit your purposes?
And speaking of evasiveness, you're pretty handy at it yourself.
Give me an example of how I've been evasive. Ask me anything and I'll answer.
Defend your claim please.
Once again, which of my claims/assertions are you talking about?
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by James S Saint » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:03 pm
Mutcer wrote:Typist wrote:It is qualified, as the assertion about God which Christians are making is a scientific claim.
Ok, I accept calling it a "scientific claim". A claim about the nature of reality. Fair enough. But you still can't just declare reason qualified to address this issue without an investigation.
I have conducted an investigation.
- conflict of omniscience/omnipotence/free will [demonstrated to be a false claim]
- problem of evil [demonstrated to be a false claim]
- evasiveness of Christians [demonstrated to be a false claim]
Mutcer wrote:The Christian claim, and your claim too, are claims about something said to be central to reality. The Christians claim God is central to all reality, and you claim human reason is able to analyze all of reality. So let's try this...
Humans can't analyze all of reality. If the Christian God is real, it can't be analyzed, as it can't be observed or scientifically measured.Can you even define reality?
Yes.
re·al·i·ty [ree-al-i-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural re·al·i·ties for 3, 5–7.
1.
the state or quality of being real.
2.
resemblance to what is real.
3.
a real thing or fact.
4.
real things, facts, or events taken as a whole; state of affairs: the reality of the business world; vacationing to escape reality.
5.
Philosophy .
a.
something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.
b.
something that exists independently of all other things and from which all other things derive.
That's rich;
Reality = "what is real", "existence".
Tells you a lot doesn't it.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Helandhighwater » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:59 pm
As far as I can tell God does not intercede because it's a free will issue. That said that seems pretty harsh to me but meh. Again it's all a matter of what you choose to believe. If you don't believe in an omnibenevolent God, who cannot interceded directly in the lives of men by his own choice and because of his own morally unreproachable reason, then it is not going to make sense to you. I think the Vikings had a good point, the gods do not chose to take the cause of man on directly because when they do such unimaginable power causes more harm than it does good. An almost infinite power manifest on the mortal plain creates waves and effects that a god such as Odin is reticent to cause.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by James S Saint » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:03 pm
If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Flannel Jesus » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:04 pm
And we all know masturbation is a sin
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Helandhighwater » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:04 pm
James S Saint wrote:If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
Lol that is blasphemous, you shall burn in hell, sinner.
"I do not know... Some believe that it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found, I've found it is... the small things, every day deeds of ordinary folk, that keeps the darkness at bay, simple acts of kindness and love, why the small folk I do not know, perhaps it is because I am afraid that it gives me courage."
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by James S Saint » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:08 pm
Helandhighwater wrote:James S Saint wrote:If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
Lol that is blasphemous, you shall burn in hell, sinner.
What makes you think that I am not?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Helandhighwater » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:08 pm
James S Saint wrote:Helandhighwater wrote:James S Saint wrote:If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
Lol that is blasphemous, you shall burn in hell, sinner.
What makes you think that I am not?
Good point.
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by V-OutOfTheWilderness » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:39 pm
James S Saint wrote:If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
If God came and involved himself personally on our behalf, for good and to stop suffering, God would be a world wide hit, and it would go viral, as they say. Who wouldn't want that? But alas even believers in God suffer ... like everyone else. If God exists, He doesn't give a hoot.
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It's not God I have a problem with. It's his fan club ....
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by James S Saint » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:42 pm
God becoming evident is what people understandably fear.
You seriously don't want God to become very evident to even the animals.
That's when the serious shit hits the fan.
God is being nice by not being obvious.
You seriously don't want God to become very evident to even the animals.
That's when the serious shit hits the fan.
God is being nice by not being obvious.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.
The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.
You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.
Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Those who too ardently seek to be seen as correct, see only correctness in themselves.
The Social Paradox - to be well grounded and soundly harmonious, one must rise above the dirt and noise.
The One God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Mutcer » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:15 pm
Helandhighwater wrote:James S Saint wrote:If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
Lol that is blasphemous, you shall burn in hell, sinner.
What exactly do you mean by "burn in hell"?
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
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Re: Why is God not held to the same moral standard as man?
by Helandhighwater » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:55 pm
Mutcer wrote:Helandhighwater wrote:James S Saint wrote:If God were to "intercede", God would be interfering with Himself.
Lol that is blasphemous, you shall burn in hell, sinner.
What exactly do you mean by "burn in hell"?
I meant that people who blaspheme will win a trip free of charge world cruise and a blow job from multiple hookers.
I was joking. Come on. Did the smiley not give it away. Also he was joking, this is what we on the WWW like to call humour.
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