omar wrote:It is only the atheist of today that is fond of speculating a strike of luck to then posit a universe where law and uniformity prevail. Weird.
What makes it even more challenging for atheists is that their approach is built upon a declared loyalty to the authority of reason. I don't think most of them, in net forums anyway, really grasp what a demanding "god" reason really is.
Your 747 example does an excellent job of shining a light on this internal conflict within their world view, imho. Imagine that it was written in the Bible that observable reality is highly ordered, and that it all came to be from random chance. They would snort their derision of such a proposal, if it was anybody else's proposal other than their own.
The theists have it much easier, as their system tends to be built upon faith. They can declare faith in anything they want, and remain internally consistent. Thus, the theists may be more logical than the atheists, a delightful irony.
Theist were at the forefront (I say theist, because Deism, while theism, goes largely unacknowledged) of science by positing, yes, a rational creator, which worked as the foundation of their lawful physics.
The first tenant of my personal religion is that I have no clue. But once that's clear, it can be fun to speculate.
Nature is my bible, and I'm reading it all the time, trying to see the bigger picture it may illustrate.
It's true that nature is ordered, and this argues for an ordered rational maker. But it's also true that nature is all things. It's day and night, up and down, ordered and chaotic, beautiful and ugly, something and nothing, tender and merciless etc.
Thus, I reason that if there is some maker such as a God, it too may contain all things, be beyond any polarity. If true, then such a God would be both rational and orderly, and irrational and chaotic too. Evolution is an example of a process that is great order built upon random chaos. It's not one or the other, but both.
Our dualistic minds tend to have a great deal of trouble with the idea of two apparently
opposing things at the same time. We desperately want it to be this or that, either or, black or white, what box do I put this in???
This demand may be a limitation of the equipment we are using more than it is a requirement reality is constrained by.