Mucter,
For your convenience, I am posting my unanswered post from your other thread here. That will keep you reminding that you have avoided that for not having an answer.
Here it is -----
Mucter - Correct. In the case of all negative numbers vs. all numbers which don’t fall into the category of negative numbers, zero falls into the latter. Substitute negative with positive and it still falls into the latter. Why? Because zero doesn’t fall into the category of negative numbers or the category of positive numbers.
Sanjay - If you admit that zero does not fall into either category, why you are playing tricks and presenting it as only apositive?
Mucter -As that’s a position of belief, not a position of non-belief, it would be analogous to either a positive or negative number, not zero (which is neutral)
Sanjay - What kind of argument is this? Where I said that agnostics are analogous to either negative or positive?
Mucter, do not try to play innocent and pretend as you misunderstood me. I know you got it clearly but as you do not have an answer thus pretending otherwise.
Again, for your clarification, I am comparing agnostics with zero here.
Mucter - I didn’t know there was a rule that one must be arguing for something in this message board. What’s wrong with having a philosophical discussion and exchanging ideas and thoughts?
Sanjay - Playing innocent again. I did not object your argument but you not following it up.
You said that Agnosticism isn’t the middle ground between atheism and theism. It’s on a different plane. Right. But, if that is true, how on the earth you are presenting agnosticism as a subset of atheism and both against theism?
Mucter -Atheists are on one side and theists are on the other side. This doesn’t mean the midpoint is neutral. Atheism is neutral and theism is the non-neutral position. The non-neutral position on the opposite side would be anti-theism.
Sanjay - Would you mind to explain what reasoning you have to conclude that atheism is a neutral position?
Some scientists believe that that the universe came into existence from big bang.
Some scientists believe that universe did not come into existence from big bang.
Now, tell me which position is neutral?
Something exists for sure is a belief but the same thing does not exist for sure is also s belief. One is positive belief while other one is negative but still both are beliefs. Neither position is void of beliefs.
So, tell me om which grounds you considered having belief in the non existence a neutral position?
Mucter -As the terms we have been discussing concerning belief and knowledge aren’t mutually exclusive, it is possible to combine them into four different descriptions:
Atheist
- Agnostic atheist
does not believe any god exists, but doesn’t claim to know that no god exists - Gnostic atheist
believes that no god exists and claims to know that this belief is true
Theist
3. Agnostic theist
believes a god exists, but doesn’t claim to know that this belief is true
4. Gnostic theist
believes a god exists and claims to know that this belief is true
Does that make sense?
Sanjay - All that does not make neither any sense nor pertinent here. I also can put as many definitions as you want to see. That would not serve any purpose to you.
The only issue which we are discussing here that how you presented agnosticm as a subset of atheism and atheism as a neutral position. That is all.
Mucter - Actually, you don’t know what my objective is. Or are you omniscient?
Sanjay - As I said before, one needs not to be omniscient to realise what your actual intention is. Only some common sense is enough, and I have that much for sure.
With love,
Sanjay