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Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:23 pm

Why did we stop inventing gods?

The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.

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Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.

Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.

Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.

I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.

Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.

Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?

Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:31 pm

We didn't stop, as can be seen from :'If gods didn't exist , He would need to be invented.
Voltaire penned it, Dostoevsky used it.

Even today, the need to advance science, using hypothetical models, is well and alive. The new faith in the invention to cure diseases, to lengthen lifetimes, implying the concept of eternal life as model, is a re-affirmation of God's power.

For surely, it becomes a matter not necessarily God in-Him Self, but man God, for himself, which is determinative in this evolution of ideas.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:59 pm

Why did we stop inventing gods?
Because now humans think that they are gods. They feel no need for other competing gods.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:50 pm

God "invented" us.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:53 pm

jerkey wrote:We didn't stop, as can be seen from :'If gods didn't exist , He would need to be invented.
Voltaire penned it, Dostoevsky used it.

Even today, the need to advance science, using hypothetical models, is well and alive. The new faith in the invention to cure diseases, to lengthen lifetimes, implying the concept of eternal life as model, is a re-affirmation of God's power.

For surely, it becomes a matter not necessarily God in-Him Self, but man God, for himself, which is determinative in this evolution of ideas.


Well put and I agree that the only worthy god is a man. Eh, person that is.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:53 pm

phyllo wrote:
Why did we stop inventing gods?
Because now humans think that they are gods. They feel no need for other competing gods.


As it should be. Right?

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:54 pm

Ierrellus wrote:God "invented" us.


Which of the ,to me, immoral gods are you referring to?

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:12 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God "invented" us.


Which of the ,to me, immoral gods are you referring to?

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None of the "immoral" to anybody gods.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:19 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God "invented" us.


Which of the ,to me, immoral gods are you referring to?

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None of the "immoral" to anybody gods.


So you do not believe your own statement. "God "invented" us."

Is that what you are saying or are you just playing foolish word games?

If not then name who you were referring to. Please.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:28 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
phyllo wrote:
Why did we stop inventing gods?
Because now humans think that they are gods. They feel no need for other competing gods.


As it should be. Right?

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Wrong. That produces a dangerous hubris.

We have already seen the destruction of large parts of the Earth, chemical contamination of plants and animals, introduction of invasive species into areas that can't support them, medical 'mistakes', nuclear 'mistakes'.

Now that humans think that they can control life through genetic manipulation, it's only a matter of time until we see one of those new lifeforms wrecks havoc.

That's the result of hubris.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:37 pm

Genetic manipulation is the only way to save humanity.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby One Liner » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:11 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Genetic manipulation is the only way to save humanity.

Are we worth saving?
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:08 pm

Sorry for the confusion. I'm just saying that the demiurges did not create Man, although some gnostics would believe they did. The God above all gods created both man and demigods (angels, if you will).
The God created Man in his own image.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:12 pm

One Liner wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Genetic manipulation is the only way to save humanity.

Are we worth saving?

I'd say God will reclaim, eventually, everything he has created. So, yes. We are all worth saving.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Amorphos » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:35 pm

2op the Jews thought they had [and may have?] replaced all by including everything into one. that didn't however, include all things feminine except in representative form e.g. Mary.

a solution to this would be to include the feminine, ...then forget differences as superficial ~ eventually we arrive at something which is asexual.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:26 pm

God may be a quadrinity---Father, Mother, Son, Daughter. Or, perhaps all possible human relationships.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Amorphos » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:39 pm

Ierrellus wrote:God may be a quadrinity---Father, Mother, Son, Daughter. Or, perhaps all possible human relationships.


and of nature. is this the God of the bible though, or were they aiming toward this without knowing how to expound that?
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:29 pm

The godless way forward for the good is spirituality... no-one holding you to ransom and telling you that you were born with original sin.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Artimas » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:43 pm

MagsJ wrote:The godless way forward for the good is spirituality... no-one holding you to ransom and telling you that you were born with original sin.


Yeah.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:51 pm

MagsJ wrote:The godless way forward for the good is spirituality... no-one holding you to ransom and telling you that you were born with original sin.

So ... just lie to and keep secrets from the children?
That's your idea for a better future?

.. typical and quite in vogue.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:06 pm

James S Saint wrote:So ... just lie to and keep secrets from the children?
That's your idea for a better future?

.. typical and quite in vogue.
What lies and secrets are they James?

Religion is the biggest lie.

Typical of what?

In vogue? I've been this way inclined as far as religion is concerned since 1984 when 14, and I was able to exercise that inclination around 17 when my mother could no longer force me to go to church... attend for a good Holy Sacrament or two, sure.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:15 pm

MagsJ wrote:
James S Saint wrote:So ... just lie to and keep secrets from the children?
That's your idea for a better future?

.. typical and quite in vogue.
What lies and secrets are they James?

In this case, it seems that you believe that people are born free and clear of humanity's past, as if no one has ever done anything that would cause continued hatreds (despite the constant use of such things to justify more hatred).

People are born with poor judgment, wanting from poor judgment, being taught poor judgement, and performing poor judgement. Being "in sin" merely means having "poor judgment" (just another of those secrets that you propose).

To remove your sins is to remove your poor judgement; to give you wisdom, intellect, awareness, and knowledge.

MagsJ wrote:Religion is the biggest lie.

Your opinion .. and without a better option to propose.

MagsJ wrote:Typical of what?

Opinionated, hypnotized, new-age drones, living in poor judgement.

MagsJ wrote:In vogue? I've been this way inclined as far as religion is concerned since 1984 when 14, and I was able to exercise that inclination around 17 when my mother could no longer force me to go to church... attend for a good Holy Sacrament or two, sure.

It has been in vogue sine the 1950's
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Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:16 pm

Greatest I am wrote:Why did we stop inventing gods?

"We" didn't.

They merely call them something else. Now it is Quantum Physics.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:47 pm

I prefer spirituality to a religion... you are turning this into a battle.

I take my spirituality very seriously, so nothing to do with what's trending, as it was far from trending where I live :lol:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:11 pm

...like the Brits were "just turning it into a battle".
:icon-rolleyes:
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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