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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:15 am

To what period are you referring to James?

I am not native to this country.. remember, so I do not harbour the same thoughts and feelings as a native Brit would. My natural inclination is towards an open awareness.. rather than an enforced religion.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:33 am

MagsJ wrote:To what period are you referring to James?

I am not native to this country.. remember, so I do not harbour the same thoughts and feelings as a native Brit would. My natural inclination is towards an open awareness.. rather than an enforced religion.

The only difference is that religion is more organized. Without organization, the people remain weak and malleable, thus controlled by unseen and un-blamed people (media) rather than people with known names and known claims.

It is all the same game, merely a different manipulation strategy.

Man is the great manipulator using money, media, and medicine.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:07 pm

We did not invent God(s). We invented a god concept that evolved according to our spiritual understanding. Bob was absolutely right on this point. By way of Greek and oriental influences, the Hebrew God became the Christian God. So what is the latest concept of God? Is it still locked into the understanding of ancient Hebrews and 1st century Christians?
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:14 am

James S Saint wrote:Man is the great manipulator using money, media, and medicine.
Indeed he does.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:28 am

Why did we stop inventing gods?

Did we?

What about the new gods, for example the "scientific" gods.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:44 am

Arminius wrote:
Why did we stop inventing gods?

Did we?

What about the new gods, for example the "scientific" gods.

I'd say the modern day version of god is false idols.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:00 am

Ierrellus wrote:We did not invent God(s). We invented a god concept that evolved according to our spiritual understanding. Bob was absolutely right on this point. By way of Greek and oriental influences, the Hebrew God became the Christian God. So what is the latest concept of God? Is it still locked into the understanding of ancient Hebrews and 1st century Christians?

Good point.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:40 am

MagsJ wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Why did we stop inventing gods?

Did we?

What about the new gods, for example the "scientific" gods.

I'd say the modern day version of god is false idols.

Either we did not invent gods or we invented false gods (idols).

The first "gods" for a child are the parents of the child. Later the child learns what "gods" mean or/and what a "god" means. So that learning of the concept "god/gods" by children is a part of the ontogenetic development. I think that the learning of the concept "god/gods" by erstwhile adults, thus a part of the phylogenetic development, is similar to the ontogenetic development. Ancestors had and have been gods for a very, very, very long time.

Modernity fights the origin. So theologically said, modernity means inventing false gods (idols). But in other times and always for children gods are not an invention but a part of the development of language-based thought from the concrete to the abstract.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:10 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Sorry for the confusion. I'm just saying that the demiurges did not create Man, although some gnostics would believe they did. The God above all gods created both man and demigods (angels, if you will).
The God created Man in his own image.


Foolishness.

No Gnostic Christian believes the myth we created to put against the Christian myth. We do not hold any supernatural beliefs. Those are only good for those who refuse to think.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:15 pm

Amorphos wrote:2op the Jews thought they had [and may have?] replaced all by including everything into one. that didn't however, include all things feminine except in representative form e.g. Mary.

a solution to this would be to include the feminine, ...then forget differences as superficial ~ eventually we arrive at something which is asexual.


Originally, most of the Eastern gods were androgynous so specifying female was not required. All souls were seen as androgynous.

I do recognize that Christianity and Islam have made women second class in terms of ideology, --- even as they try to say they do not.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:17 pm

Ierrellus wrote:God may be a quadrinity---Father, Mother, Son, Daughter. Or, perhaps all possible human relationships.


I guess that you are not aware of Jung and Freud's Father Complex.

You might want to look it up, although you believe in the supernatural so natural things might elude you.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:20 pm

James S Saint wrote:
MagsJ wrote:The godless way forward for the good is spirituality... no-one holding you to ransom and telling you that you were born with original sin.

So ... just lie to and keep secrets from the children?
That's your idea for a better future?

.. typical and quite in vogue.


So you prefer to lie to children and damage their minds with immoral beliefs of their supernatural condemnation.

That is hardly a way to a better future.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:24 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Why did we stop inventing gods?

"We" didn't.

They merely call them something else. Now it is Quantum Physics.


Only to those who have incorrectly branded science and atheists.

Christianity should have science as their god.

If they had that then perhaps Christianity would have grown itself by good deeds instead of the sword.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:30 pm

Ierrellus wrote:We did not invent God(s). We invented a god concept that evolved according to our spiritual understanding. Bob was absolutely right on this point. By way of Greek and oriental influences, the Hebrew God became the Christian God. So what is the latest concept of God? Is it still locked into the understanding of ancient Hebrews and 1st century Christians?


I do not think so except where any of the Abrahamic cults can profit from the acquaintance.

Each creed will think the other is following the wrong doctrine.

I do not think religions had much to do with spirituality in the beginning.

It was all about the money just as it is today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BHvN6rZZA

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:33 pm

Arminius wrote:
Why did we stop inventing gods?

Did we?

What about the new gods, for example the "scientific" gods.


To some few perhaps.

Science is exactly where most mainstream religions are.
With their many theories to precede the Big Bang, science has created their own scientific god of the Gaps and he sits with the religious gods of the gaps.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:38 pm

Arminius wrote:[

Modernity fights the origin. So theologically said, modernity means inventing false gods (idols)..


I do not agree as I see the ancients as more modern in their thinking than the lying religions like Christianity and Islam that we suffer today.

Modernity is just showing how big those religions are on lying.

Here is how we should think of any god. Without attributes as none of those can be known.

http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:40 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Why did we stop inventing gods?

Did we?

What about the new gods, for example the "scientific" gods.

I'd say the modern day version of god is false idols.


Indeed.

Idol worshiping is all that Christians and Muslims do. Any who name a god are in the same boat.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:27 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God may be a quadrinity---Father, Mother, Son, Daughter. Or, perhaps all possible human relationships.


I guess that you are not aware of Jung and Freud's Father Complex.

You might want to look it up, although you believe in the supernatural so natural things might elude you.

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You don't know me at all. I've read Freud and Jung. I just don't believe in everything I read. I'm not a fan of the supernatural.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:36 pm

They didn't stop inventing them, they merely started calling them something else. Unfortunately with the average intellect as it is, that is all it takes to propose that progress is forming a new world without gods.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
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The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:57 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God may be a quadrinity---Father, Mother, Son, Daughter. Or, perhaps all possible human relationships.


I guess that you are not aware of Jung and Freud's Father Complex.

You might want to look it up, although you believe in the supernatural so natural things might elude you.

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You don't know me at all. I've read Freud and Jung. I just don't believe in everything I read. I'm not a fan of the supernatural.


Good. Then you should understand where and why we are creating gods for ourselves. Gods as defined as the best rules and laws to live by and so far, secular gods, laws and rules that is, have all been created by people who also put supernatural gods aside.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:01 pm

James S Saint wrote:They didn't stop inventing them, they merely started calling them something else. Unfortunately with the average intellect as it is, that is all it takes to propose that progress is forming a new world without gods.


Indeed, our intellect is growing and intelligent people recognize that supernatural gods are just fiction. God has no place in the minds of intelligent thinkers.

That is why the religious fear intelligent reasoning and logic.

Martin Luther
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

Keep your faith my friend but remember that faith is only good for those who do not want the truth.

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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:12 pm

Martin Luther
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”


Martin Luther born 1483, died 1546

That's a modern reference. It's how every religious person thinks in 2016. :evilfun:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:53 pm

The final verdict on God's existence will be decided soon. I haven't got laid in many months so that's that's a few points against his favor. And the date God set up the girl couldn't kiss me on the lips because I was too ugly I guess. Today I had a date that was cancelled today, so I went to a bar to find a woman, the woman at the bar said she believed in monogamy, so I called another girl, then she told me I was too pushy then hung up on me (Irony because, if she values politeness, she should be polite, but of course women are eager to find fault in everyone else but themselves.)

The final verdict on whether God/magic exists will be determined scientifically and emperically. It all boils down to that test I took a few weeks ago. If the answers are correct God definitely exists, but if the answers are wrong, then the voices in my head are all lies, and I should no longer trust them.
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:27 am

James S Saint wrote:They didn't stop inventing them, they merely started calling them something else. Unfortunately with the average intellect as it is, that is all it takes to propose that progress is forming a new world without gods.

Yes. Inventing gods has never been stopped. The opposite is true: More and more gods have been invented. :wink:
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Re: Why did we stop inventing gods?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:42 pm

phyllo wrote:
Martin Luther
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”


Martin Luther born 1483, died 1546

That's a modern reference. It's how every religious person thinks in 2016. :evilfun:


Indeed.

Faith is not wanting to face reality.

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