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I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:53 am

I know who the Devil is but I shall not reveal at this time.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby One Liner » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:43 am

How about at this time?
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:32 pm

So the Devil is a who?
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:51 pm

Milton's "Paradise Lost" paints Satan as a tragic hero. According to Peter, Satan waged war against Michael and other angels and was defeated. In defeat, he inherited the Earth. Proof of that can be found in the temptations of Jesus in which Satan offers Jesus the World. The offer could not be made if Satan did not claim ownership of the World. If all this is mythology, who or what is the real Devil? If, as Sartre notes "Hell is other people, then the Devil is what is other than the Self. Is the Devil Other or is he us?
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby phyllo » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:02 pm

The devil was created to sanitize God. To make God perfectly good, you need to remove characteristics which are, or seem to be, evil. You associate those characteristics with the devil.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:16 pm

We are our own devils and angels.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:30 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Milton's "Paradise Lost" paints Satan as a tragic hero.


She is no hero. She is a narcissist with an ego so big she cannot be reasoned with and she is incredibly devoid of empathy.

According to Peter, Satan waged war against Michael and other angels and was defeated. In defeat, he inherited the Earth. Proof of that can be found in the temptations of Jesus in which Satan offers Jesus the World. The offer could not be made if Satan did not claim ownership of the World. If all this is mythology, who or what is the real Devil? If, as Sartre notes "Hell is other people, then the Devil is what is other than the Self. Is the Devil Other or is he us?

In a sense, the toxicity and pain of the Devil infects our minds, in that sense he lives inside us. He uses attachment mechanisms and contrast to maximize our sufferings.

phyllo wrote:The devil was created to sanitize God. To make God perfectly good, you need to remove characteristics which are, or seem to be, evil. You associate those characteristics with the devil.

In a sense, yes. When you encounter the Devil, you lose all motivation to be bad, because you see what bad is, and you want no part of it.

Ierrellus wrote:We are our own devils and angels.

Devils and angels maybe, but not "The Devil" himself.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby phyllo » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:42 pm

When you encounter the Devil, you lose all motivation to be bad, because you see what bad is, and you want no part of it.
Maybe that's true for you. I see the advantages of badness and why people would want it.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:47 pm

UP 1001, you are beginning to sound like a born again Christian.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:48 pm

phyllo wrote:
When you encounter the Devil, you lose all motivation to be bad, because you see what bad is, and you want no part of it.
Maybe that's true for you. I see the advantages of badness and why people would want it.


Yeah normally, but when you encounter someone who is so bad, The Devil, it is kind of a humbling experience.

Badder than mannequin, The joker, Villians on TV, someone so bad it kind of makes you lose interest in being bad.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:49 pm

Ierrellus wrote:UP 1001, you are beginning to sound like a born again Christian.


Arent you a born again Christian?
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby phyllo » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:49 pm

Ierrellus wrote:UP 1001, you are beginning to sound like a born again Christian.
Should one believe anything that Trixie writes?
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:51 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:UP 1001, you are beginning to sound like a born again Christian.


Arent you a born again Christian?

Yes. Are you? Just progressive, not fundamentalist.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:58 pm

Well, I'm pretty sure I met satan or god, which means I'm the other one...

Based on the discussions we had...

These discussions were so bizarre ...

It could have been the Buddha taking one of their forms though...

All I know...

Is that I've had a weird-ass life...

Like, totally weird-ass

That wasn't the name I was born with though
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:05 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Well, I'm pretty sure I met satan or god, which means I'm the other one...

Based on the discussions we had...

These discussions were so bizarre ...

It could have been the Buddha taking one of their forms though...

All I know...

Is that I've had a weird-ass life...

Like, totally weird-ass

That wasn't the name I was born with though


So you are either Satan or God, but don't know which?

When I was young I thought I might be the anti-christ, but when I was even younger I thought I was an angel.
Tbh, I am not sure but I think my life's purpose is to defeat the Devil (and also make the DnA machine for the 2nd garden of Eden that will last for 1000 years.)
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:11 pm

Yeah ... I deal with infinities Trixie ...

I have this weird power, I can absorb other peoples power...

I don't know why
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Meno_ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:12 pm

The devil is the inclusion of a fail proof system within god's perfect plan, satisfying the thermodynamic requirements of creation. In that sense they are one, the devil is a kind of caveat, or afterthought, to make repetition unavoidable.

Karmic progression, or regression, are the religious metaphors to this process.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Meno_ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:13 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Yeah ... I deal with infinities Trixie ...

I have this weird power, I can absorb other peoples power...


I don't know why


Because of thermodynamic necessity, no need to feel guilt over it.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:17 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Yeah ... I deal with infinities Trixie ...



Utopia cannot be infinite, or else we'd be in it right now.

I have this weird power, I can absorb other peoples power...

I don't know why


I absorb their energy, both negative and positive.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Meno_ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:21 pm

But we are in Utopia, if you are getting both of it. Therefore it is limitless, Ultimate.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:25 pm

jerkey wrote:But we are in Utopia, if you are getting both of it. Therefore it is limitless, Ultimate.


One thing is for certain, this is not utopia. But not the savage garden either, for some humans at least.
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Re: I know who Satan is

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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Meno_ » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:35 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
jerkey wrote:But we are in Utopia, if you are getting both of it. Therefore it is limitless, Ultimate.




One thing is for certain, this is not utopia. But not the
savage garden either, for some humans at least.



There is nothing certain, only that our awareness and knowledge is limited.- J. Khrishnamurti
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:37 pm

jerkey wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
jerkey wrote:But we are in Utopia, if you are getting both of it. Therefore it is limitless, Ultimate.




One thing is for certain, this is not utopia. But not the
savage garden either, for some humans at least.



There is nothing certain, only that our awareness and knowledge is limited.- J. Khrishnamurti


Yes, but we do have awareness, and knowledge. Knowledge to know that men are not gods, and so what they say is not always absolute. And the knowledge to discern what does or doesn't fulfill the conditions of a word.
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Re: I know who Satan is

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:58 pm

Who knows...

I could be the Buddha ...

Enlightenment comes in many forms...

What's curious about me, with this tremendous life and huge mind and lots of power...

Is that I just want normal conversation...

It's my favorite thing in the world

You would assume I'd know which avatar I am...

But the truth is, I don't care...

I buckle down and try to represent reason to the best of my abilities...

But after seeing the world puppeted on my behalf, going to hell, and being resurrected who knows how many times... And some of the beings I've met..

It's hard not to think in these terms quite often ...

I was a hardcore atheist with an extreme will to make suicide legal... And to do it when it was ...
I wanted to suicide politely...

Then all this super-weird shit started happening...

I mean super-weird shit!!

Maybe there is a perfect plan to all of this...

I hold suspension of belief for the time being
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