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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:00 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:we can predict that conservatively, 20% of ALL humans or any group of large human population are born with an active evil tendencies

So why do you keep bashing the Muslims on that point? Why did you bring it up in this thread at all?
Where did I specifically bash Muslims?

As I had stated [conservatively] 20% of ALL humans are born with an active evil tendency.
The above is a highly probable fact for humanity.
If it is a fact of humanity, where is the elements of bashing Muslims.

I have stated many times, because these 20% of evil prone Muslims are naturally born with an active evil tendency [just like 20% of all humans] we cannot specifically blame them. The most you can blame is to blame Mother Nature which then will make you dumb if you do so.

Therefore my OP is raised to prevent people for being ignorant in blaming Muslims [all or the extremists] for the direct cause of all the terrible evils committed by SOME evil prone Muslims. The danger is if they keep blaming Muslims, i.e. the extremists they will be ignorant of the ultimate effective and critical root cause, i.e. the evil laden elements in the Quran.

This OP is raised to highlight Islam-in-part [Quran-in-part] is the critical ultimate root cause of all Islamic-inspired evils and violence.

Prismatic567 wrote:One question which can be raised is; if 20% of Jews are born with an evil tendency and that there are more evil laden elements in the Torah than the Quran, why are there [as a matter of fact based on evidence] lesser acts of evils and violence committed by the Jews at present. There are various other contributive factors which contra the general rule in this case but it is off topic.

Now you are up to my original point:
You seem to be assuming that because they don't tell you of their own atrocities, there are none (such as Israel's attempt to murder the entire crew of the USS Liberty and Israel's participation in countless other false flag events, shifting the blame onto their competition, the nations surrounding Israel). The Judaists (not "the Jews") deal in secretive endeavors. They do not boast on their insidious accomplishments but rather shift the blame so that you believe the evil is far more on the other guy.

This is off topic, but any way;
If it is related to the Israel government then it has nothing to do with Judaism because the Israel Government is not a theocracy grounded on the Torah but a secular-based government.

I agree the Zionists who argued and act on their own to grab additional Palestinian land illegally arise from evil prone Jews influenced by the evil laden elements in the Torah.
It is the same for the Jews who killed homosexuals in Israel.
I agree these are evil acts and all other evil acts by Jews must be addressed by humanity.

However as concerned citizens of humanity we must optimize our resources and put more emphasis on the bigger threats to humanity, which is obvious, i.e. arising from this source;
[29,156],

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The above and its related evils and violence posed a very serious threats to humanity but as the OP suggest do not bash Muslims but rather focus on the ultimate effective and critical root cause, i.e. the evil laden elements in the Quran and Islam-in-part [not wholly].
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby James S Saint » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:18 pm

There are two greater forms of evil in operation:
    1) People believing that their media reflects reality.
    2) People being so blinded as to not see how obvious their attempts to be sly actually are.

Prismatic567 wrote:the bigger threats to humanity, which is obvious, i.e. arising from this source;
[29,156]

You believing that, is an example of (1). And you believing that your audience can't tell that your intent is to bash Muslims despite the title is an example of (2).

Which is the greater evil:
    A) He who murders and boasts on it so as to promote fear (aka "terrorism"), or
    B) He who incites war, hides, and blame-shifts (aka "False Flag") so as to to promote profiteering?

Might seem like a tough call for you. The greater issue is that with (B), you don't really know that (A) ever even took place and even if it did, you certainly don't know why or who. 100's of thousands more people die from (B) than from (A). Once blinded, who are you to judge and incite war on evil?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Arminius » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:06 am

@ Prismatic 567.

What you are saying about the Gaußian (Gaussian) distribution, thus the Gauß' bell curve, is true, but this does not automatically mean that it can be applied to everything you want. Nobody is "born with an active evil tendency". Unborns and children have nothing to do with such categories and concepts of the adult "world“. We had a similar discussion in another threads where a confused one claimed the nonsense that "unborns and newborns" were "atheists“. That is not true. And your statement that "20% are born with an active evil tendency“ is also not true.

It is not accidental (but very thankful) that it is not allowed to take legal proceedings against children.

Thanks to our Occidental culture.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:02 am

James S Saint wrote:There are two greater forms of evil in operation:
    1) People believing that their media reflects reality.
    2) People being so blinded as to not see how obvious their attempts to be sly actually are.

Prismatic567 wrote:the bigger threats to humanity, which is obvious, i.e. arising from this source;
[29,156]

You believing that, is an example of (1). And you believing that your audience can't tell that your intent is to bash Muslims despite the title is an example of (2).

Which is the greater evil:
    A) He who murders and boasts on it so as to promote fear (aka "terrorism"), or
    B) He who incites war, hides, and blame-shifts (aka "False Flag") so as to to promote profiteering?

Might seem like a tough call for you. The greater issue is that with (B), you don't really know that (A) ever even took place and even if it did, you certainly don't know why or who. 100's of thousands more people die from (B) than from (A). Once blinded, who are you to judge and incite war on evil?
Your thinking is very obtuse.

What you are saying is every statement of fact relating to any evil acts is bashing the people involved in those acts. This is very immature thinking relative to the our modern era.

Matured thinking in our modern era is being objective and not getting personal, i.e. in this case, focus on tracing the root causes and find preventive and corrective solutions to the problem.
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:49 am

Arminius wrote:@ Prismatic 567.

What you are saying about the Gaußian (Gaussian) distribution, thus the Gauß' bell curve, is true, but this does not automatically mean that it can be applied to everything you want. Nobody is "born with an active evil tendency". Unborns and children have nothing to do with such categories and concepts of the adult "world“. We had a similar discussion in another threads where a confused one claimed the nonsense that "unborns and newborns" were "atheists“. That is not true. And your statement that "20% are born with an active evil tendency“ is also not true.

It is not accidental (but very thankful) that it is not allowed to take legal proceedings against children.

Thanks to our Occidental culture.
I did not state the Bell Curve is true in all conditions.

The Bell Curve is NOT a universal, it is merely abstracted model of patterns from observed and empirical evidences which is applicable in many instances involving variables of human nature. As such if can be a useful tool to aid one in gathering knowledge in problem solving.

At present we are faced with real evidence of terrible evils and violence [e.g. below is one set of example] committed by SOME people who claimed to be Muslims.

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Now if you are a concerned citizen of humanity, what are you going to do in view of the above figures.

Any concerned citizen of the world will make an attempt to apply effective problem solving techniques to trace the root causes of the problem above and find solutions to eliminate or prevent the recurrence of the problem of evil as above.

In the course of applying problem solving techniques one effective tool to narrow the problem is the use of the principles of the Bell Curve.
Note I did not jump to the conclusion, Bell Curve = 20% of Muslims are born with an active evil tendencies.
There is quite a lot of work to do to arrive at the above hypothesis.
I have presented them in my earlier posting and I don't think you understood them.

Btw, my first premise is;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
Note the term 'POTENTIAL' which mean all human has the ready made neural circuits in their brain to become evil but it is not active in all humans.
Do you agree with this first premise?

If you agree, then the next point is to demonstrate why 20% of all humans are born with an activated potential to be beastly and evil tendency.
Again I have explained this in my earlier posts, but they did not catch your attention.
This involve understanding your own physical brain and neuroscience.

So do you agree with this premise?
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.

Note this thread;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=191157&p=2627357#p2627357
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby James S Saint » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:20 am

Prismatic567 wrote:The Bell Curve is NOT a universal, it is merely abstracted model of patterns from observed and empirical evidences which is applicable in many instances involving variables of human nature.

Then provide the proof that it is relevant to this thesis.

Prismatic567 wrote:At present we are faced with real evidence of terrible evils and violence [e.g. below is one set of example] committed by SOME people who claimed to be Muslims.

Now if you are a concerned citizen of humanity, what are you going to do in view of the above figures.

Until I see proof, I will consider it, like all statistics spread to the populous, to be merely one more war-mongering lie.

All statistics are lies until proven otherwise.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Arminius » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:47 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:
Arminius wrote:@ Prismatic 567.

What you are saying about the Gaußian (Gaussian) distribution, thus the Gauß' bell curve, is true, but this does not automatically mean that it can be applied to everything you want. Nobody is "born with an active evil tendency". Unborns and children have nothing to do with such categories and concepts of the adult "world“. We had a similar discussion in another threads where a confused one claimed the nonsense that "unborns and newborns" were "atheists“. That is not true. And your statement that "20% are born with an active evil tendency“ is also not true.

It is not accidental (but very thankful) that it is not allowed to take legal proceedings against children.

Thanks to our Occidental culture.
I did not state the Bell Curve is true in all conditions.

The Bell Curve is NOT a universal, it is merely abstracted model of patterns from observed and empirical evidences which is applicable in many instances involving variables of human nature. As such if can be a useful tool to aid one in gathering knowledge in problem solving.

At present we are faced with real evidence of terrible evils and violence [e.g. below is one set of example] committed by SOME people who claimed to be Muslims.

Image

Now if you are a concerned citizen of humanity, what are you going to do in view of the above figures.

Any concerned citizen of the world will make an attempt to apply effective problem solving techniques to trace the root causes of the problem above and find solutions to eliminate or prevent the recurrence of the problem of evil as above.

In the course of applying problem solving techniques one effective tool to narrow the problem is the use of the principles of the Bell Curve.
Note I did not jump to the conclusion, Bell Curve = 20% of Muslims are born with an active evil tendencies.

Note: The sign "=" (equal sign) does not mean a "conclusion". The sign for a conclusion is (for example and because it is on your keyboard): "=>".

Your conclusion is false, because nobody is "born with an active evil tendencies".

Prismatic567 wrote:There is quite a lot of work to do to arrive at the above hypothesis.
I have presented them in my earlier posting and I don't think you understood them.

Btw, my first premise is;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
Note the term 'POTENTIAL' which mean all human has the ready made neural circuits in their brain to become evil but it is not active in all humans.
Do you agree with this first premise?

No, and if you had read my posts carefully, then you would know it.

Your wording is false. Morality has to be learned. It is a matter of education. The DNA says nothing about morality but merely about the potential to learn. If a human learns morality in a wrong or an evil way, then it is because of a false learning. Not morality but learning morality is in the DNA.

Your premise is false. Unfortunately, it can be used rhetorically.

Maybe that it is the same statement for you whether one says it is learning morality or just morality itself, but it is not the same statement. What is said about morality is "merely" said by adults (at least not by children who have to learn morality). So morality is an adult matter. Children have to learn morality. So if they do not learn it, then they have a tendency to become evil - but not because of their DNA, at least not in the first place, because the genetic code contains the possibility of learning morality but not morality itself. That is also the reason for the need of ethical education and why belief system (religions) occured. Again: Genetically, learning morality is DNA based, but the morality itself is not.

Prismatic567 wrote:If you agree, then the next point is to demonstrate why 20% of all humans are born with an activated potential to be beastly and evil tendency.
Again I have explained this in my earlier posts, but they did not catch your attention.

That is also false. Those posts catched my attention.

Prismatic567 wrote:This involve understanding your own physical brain and neuroscience.

So do you agree with this premise?
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.

Note this thread;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=191157&p=2627357#p2627357

Again: Humans are not "born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil". They are born with a potential to learn what morality means.

Note: It is the adult ethic system that interprets this or that as being good or evil. In other words. Morality changes. Thus ethic systems change as well. So: Why are you not also saying that "all animals are evil"? And if you are saying that, then I ask you: Why are you saying that? Why are you interpreting it in that way?
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Re: Do NOT Bash Muslims

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:38 am

Arminius wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:This involve understanding your own physical brain and neuroscience.

So do you agree with this premise?
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.

Note this thread;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=191157&p=2627357#p2627357

Again: Humans are not "born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil". They are born with a potential to learn what morality means.

Note: It is the adult ethic system that interprets this or that as being good or evil. In other words. Morality changes. Thus ethic systems change as well. So: Why are you not also saying that "all animals are evil"? And if you are saying that, then I ask you: Why are you saying that? Why are you interpreting it in that way?
Btw, one of my forte is Philosophy of Morality and Ethics with emphasis on Kant's.

As I wrote in the other thread, there is a 'Nature' and 'Nurture' aspect to Morality.
DNA wise, all humans are born with the POTENTIAL with basic morality.

There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element.
Here is one article from Scientific American to lend greater credibility of my point;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... of-babies/



However you can research this topic all over the internet to educate yourself on this point.

If you are highly perceptive you would have noted this fact from observations within humanity.

The Nurture factors [learning, improving, etc.] merely enhanced the Morality that is innate [Nature] within humans.

Animals follow their instincts to kill, fight, injure and they do not has any strong potential for morality like humans and high level of self-consciousness to contrast what is good against what is evil from the moral perspective.
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