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DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:51 am

DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
Note the term 'POTENTIAL' which mean all humans has the ready made neural circuits in their brain to become evil but it is not activated in all humans.

Yes? No?

Discuss, views?
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:36 am

No, humans born with brains that abnormal may or may not. Example: I can't see a Downs Syndrome human being evil as they would have to fully comprehend evil or good.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby James S Saint » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:46 am

Anyone can be (and quite often are) taught to be "beastly".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby One Liner » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:18 am

I don't believe any human can be evil but I do believe any human can perform evil actions (even young children).
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:55 pm

What is meant by the word "evil"? "Beastly", describing human acts, denigrates the normal activities of the other animals.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby phyllo » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:16 pm

People have the potential for a vast range of actions.

What's the point in sticking on the 'EVIL' label? Historically it was misused and it carries a lot of baggage.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:25 pm

What appears to me to be evil about humans is the fact that, worshipping the idols of nationalism and progress, they lay waste to the ecosystems that sustain life.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby One Liner » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:11 pm

Ierrellus wrote:What appears to me to be evil about humans is the fact that, worshipping the idols of nationalism and progress, they lay waste to the ecosystems that sustain life.

Some call it progress.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby One Liner » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:15 pm

phyllo wrote:People have the potential for a vast range of actions.

What's the point in sticking on the 'EVIL' label? Historically it was misused and it carries a lot of baggage.

It is used to emphasise and categorise extreme behaviours such as raping, murdering and dismembering children which doesn't really emotionally-fit into the category of "vast range of actions".
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby James S Saint » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:15 pm

The point is that the "World Citizen" longs to prove that Islam, via the Arab race, is EVIL.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby One Liner » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:36 pm

James S Saint wrote:The point is that the "World Citizen" longs to prove that Islam, via the Arab race, is EVIL.

The "world citizen" will be longing for longer.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:04 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
Note the term 'POTENTIAL' which mean all humans has the ready made neural circuits in their brain to become evil but it is not activated in all humans.

Yes? No?

Discuss, views?

Norms, morality, ethics are not based on DNA, but the learning of what norms, morality, ethics mean (note: they change) is based on DNA. Learning, which is mainly based on DNA, is not the same as norms, morality, ethics, which are not based on DNA but on culture, education, learning.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:24 pm

James S Saint wrote:The point is that the "World Citizen" longs to prove that Islam, via the Arab race, is EVIL.

Yes - with pretty odd statements. Read the following thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=191104.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:48 am

One Liner wrote:
phyllo wrote:People have the potential for a vast range of actions.

What's the point in sticking on the 'EVIL' label? Historically it was misused and it carries a lot of baggage.

It is used to emphasise and categorise extreme behaviours such as raping, murdering and dismembering children which doesn't really emotionally-fit into the category of "vast range of actions".
I defined "evil" as any act that is of net-negative to the well being of the individual and therefore collectively to humanity. Generally what is not good is 'evil.'

I quoted the following to Phyllo, but there was no response to this;

During the past thirty years, moral, political, and legal philosophers have become increasingly interested in the concept of evil.
This interest has been partly motivated by ascriptions of ‘evil’ by laymen, social scientists, journalists, and politicians as they try to understand and respond to various atrocities and horrors of the past eighty years, e.g., the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and killing sprees by serial killers such as Jeffery Dahmer.
It seems that we cannot capture the moral significance of these actions and their perpetrators by calling them ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’ or even ‘very very wrong’ or ‘very very bad.’ We need the concept of evil.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/


To ensure full coverage of those negative acts, including ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’ or even ‘very very wrong’ or ‘very very bad,’ vile, abominable, evil, etc., I find it effective to generalize all these acts as into one general term i.e. 'evil' with a qualification in term of degrees for the various range of evil from Low [1/100] to very high [99/100].

In addition, I believe the term 'evil' [which is appropriate anyway] do trigger greater attention than those wide varieties of words represent the various types of negative acts by humans.

Any thing wrong with the above views?

Btw, the above is not related to any ontological evil such as the existence of Satan, the devil and other beings who seduced vulnerable humans into committing evil and sins.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:25 am

What is the POTENTIAL for evil, and how it came about?

This POTENTIAL embedded within the DNA i.e. nature drives the following;

    1. The physical anatomy to enable the act of evil
    2. The mental propensity to commit the act of evil.

1. The physical anatomy to enable the act of evil
The physical anatomy that enable a person to act out evil is the neurons and their specific pattern of connectivity as determined and driven by the DNA and RNA.
All humans has inherent neural connectivity with the brain for the following;

2. The mental propensity to commit the act of evil.
To ensure basic survival, all humans are encoded to be endowed with the following neural patterns within their brain;
    1. The fight or flight response.
    2. The kill living things program.
    3. The harm program.
    4. Others.

For food, all human has the potential-to-kill embedded in their brain.

The above is my argument how all humans has the POTENTIAL to be evil.

While all humans has the above physical and mental POTENTIAL, this potential is not activated in all humans.

In the course of humanity's progress in time from over 6 millions years ago, the above potentials are modulate by inhibitors in various degrees depending on various circumstances and conditions.

This is why the majority of human do not kill on instincts like most animals as the majority of human has strong inhibitors to modulate the inherent impulse to kill when exposed to certain triggers.

However a percentage of humans are born with various degrees of weak inhibitors to suppress the above inherent potential evil impulses within them. An extreme example is the serial killer who has very loose and weak inhibitors to suppress its "kill" program is activated by certain stimuli.

Killing is one type of the most evil. There are a wide range of evils [low to high] and they are acted out by the 20% of human who has weak inhibitors which are triggered by various stimuli.

Even those outside the 20% of human who are prone to evil are not guaranteed to be good at all times. Their 'strong' inhibitors could suddenly turned weak if there are serious damage due to disease, accidents, stress, chemical [drugs] etc.

Why Evil?
All human [in contrast to animals] are also endowed with a potential for basis good moral, e.g. those like the Ten Commandments.
What is sense as evil is when human acts contradict what is deemed good.
Note cheating, petty crimes, stealing a pencil, bribery, lying [black or white] are evil, albeit low level ones.

Any counter to my above argument to support the OP?

What is critical is, as a human being you must understand the above potential is in your brain!
Thus one must take extra ordinary care to manage one inhibitors less they go haywire and lead one to commit evil.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:43 am

There is a 'Nature' and 'Nurture' aspect to Morality [What is Good and What is Evil].
DNA wise, all humans are born with the POTENTIAL with basic morality.

There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element.
Here is one article from Scientific American to lend greater credibility of my point;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... of-babies/



If one is highly perceptive one would have noted this fact from observations within humanity.

The Nurture factors [learning, improving, etc.] merely enhanced the Morality that is innate [Nature] within humans.

Animals follow their instincts to kill, fight, injure and they do not has any strong potential for morality like humans and high level of self-consciousness to contrast what is good against what is evil from the moral perspective.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby One Liner » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:58 pm

Prismatic567 wrote:Any counter to my above argument to support the OP?.

Humans are not evil, but instead can perform evil (not good) actions; where evil actions are defined as anything that is contrary to the specific social norms (moral system) of a particular collection of individuals.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:04 am

Prismatic567 wrote:There is a 'Nature' and 'Nurture' aspect to Morality [What is Good and What is Evil].
DNA wise, all humans are born with the POTENTIAL with basic morality.

False!
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:07 am

Prismatic567 wrote:There is a 'Nature' and 'Nurture' aspect to Morality [What is Good and What is Evil].
DNA wise, all humans are born with the POTENTIAL with basic morality.

There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element.
Here is one article from Scientific American to lend greater credibility of my point;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... of-babies/


False!

You are „arguing“ like this guy.

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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:24 am

Prismatic567 wrote:If one is highly perceptive one would have noted this fact from observations within humanity.

FALSE !

Prismatic567 wrote:IThe Nurture factors [learning, improving, etc.] merely enhanced the Morality that is innate [Nature] within humans.

NONSENSE !

Prismatic567 wrote:Animals follow their instincts to kill, fight, injure and they do not has any strong potential for morality like humans and high level of self-consciousness to contrast what is good against what is evil from the moral perspective.

You are speaking of adult humans. So this of your statements is FALSE too !
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby James S Saint » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:22 am

Prismatic567 wrote:

They were merely noting the natural propensity for intelligence to discern between what to love and what to hate. All surviving creatures have such instincts born within, else they could not survive as a species (even insects).

Psychologists (just barely on rare occasion fitting into the category of "scientists") most certainly cannot be trusted to experiment and attempt to analyze complex systems or creatures more intelligent than their own cognitive comprehension skills. Infants fit into that category, as do almost all animals. The cognitive comprehension skills of the average psychologists are embarrassingly low. More to the exact point, none of those psychologists in that video actually understand what "morality" is. That is an issue for philosophers to decide. And no science can be conducted without proper definition. Ask any of them to exactly define "morality" in an unambiguous way. They would probably tell you that such isn't necessary, which is largely why they are (still) not really qualified to be referred to as "scientists".

Anyone can trump up what superficially appears to be a scientific experiment with all of the buzz words in place: "this was a double blind study", "81% of the non-control group responded positively",.... The sad fact is that most people doing such things are very, very sloppy and often have ulterior motives.

Ask what the scientific definition of "morality" is. Without such a precise definition, no measure of it can be scientifically made.

And all of that is not to discount Arminius' point that the very concept of morality, and thus good and evil, does not apply to animal behavior, and that includes human infants. Homosapians aren't all that much different than other animals. What doesn't apply to other animals only might barely apply to homosapians.

Your psychologist references are off mark for the same reason that you are - a complete lack of understanding of what morality and evil actually is and is actually all about.
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Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:39 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:

They were merely noting the natural propensity for intelligence to discern between what to love and what to hate. All surviving creatures have such instincts born within, else they could not survive as a species (even insects).

Psychologists (just barely on rare occasion fitting into the category of "scientists") most certainly cannot be trusted to experiment and attempt to analyze complex systems or creatures more intelligent than their own cognitive comprehension skills. Infants fit into that category, as do almost all animals. The cognitive comprehension skills of the average psychologists are embarrassingly low. More to the exact point, none of those psychologists in that video actually understand what "morality" is. That is an issue for philosophers to decide. And no science can be conducted without proper definition. Ask any of them to exactly define "morality" in an unambiguous way. They would probably tell you that such isn't necessary, which is largely why they are (still) not really qualified to be referred to as "scientists".

Anyone can trump up what superficially appears to be a scientific experiment with all of the buzz word in place: "this was a double blind study", "81% of the non-control group responded positively",.... The sad fact is that most people doing such things are very, very sloppy and often have ulterior motives.

Ask what the scientific definition of "morality" is. Without such a precise definition, no measure of it can be scientifically made.

And all of that is not to discount Arminius' point that the very concept of morality, and thus good and evil, does not apply to animal behavior, and that includes human infants. Homosapians aren't all that much different than other animals. What doesn't apply to other animals only might barely apply to homosapians.

Your psychologist references are off mark for the same reason that you are - a complete lack of understanding of what morality and evil actually is and is actually all about.

Absolutely right.

The video is absolutely ridiculous, ragged, full of errors.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:31 am

One Liner wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:Any counter to my above argument to support the OP?.

Humans are not evil, but instead can perform evil (not good) actions; where evil actions are defined as anything that is contrary to the specific social norms (moral system) of a particular collection of individuals.
You missed my point in the OP.

I did not state "Human are Evil" period.
I stated
"DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil"

Note the word "POTENTIAL."
This potential is the critical element.
The fact is this potential cannot be got rid of within the DNA and in the brain at least in the present and for a long time to come.

As humans evolved through 6 million years, this potential to commit 'evil' acts has been suppressed by inhibitors in the brain.

Unfortunately as a characteristic of Normal Distribution [Re Bell Curve] is in natural there are a percentile of human who has weak inhibitors that are unable to control their 'evil' impulses.

The above is the reason why there is so much evil [of a range of degrees] in the world at present and will be in the future.

Therefore the effective action for humanity to manage the levels of evil existing at present and in the future is to focus on the ultimate root cause [the potential and the inhibitors] instead of fire-fighting the non-critical causes.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:36 am

Arminius wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:There is a 'Nature' and 'Nurture' aspect to Morality [What is Good and What is Evil].
DNA wise, all humans are born with the POTENTIAL with basic morality.

There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element.
Here is one article from Scientific American to lend greater credibility of my point;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... of-babies/


False!

You are „arguing“ like this guy.

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Your views are very constipated and merely hand waving.

In contrast note James S Saint who at least gave some explanations to justify his views [which I do not agree and countered].

Note I mentioned;
There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element.


Attacking this one example I gave is not effective.
I suggest you research on this topic and reflect on the conclusions instead of giving these very unhealthy "constipated" views.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:46 am

James S Saint wrote:They were merely noting the natural propensity for intelligence to discern between what to love and what to hate. All surviving creatures have such instincts born within, else they could not survive as a species (even insects).

Psychologists (just barely on rare occasion fitting into the category of "scientists") most certainly cannot be trusted to experiment and attempt to analyze complex systems or creatures more intelligent than their own cognitive comprehension skills. Infants fit into that category, as do almost all animals. The cognitive comprehension skills of the average psychologists are embarrassingly low. More to the exact point, none of those psychologists in that video actually understand what "morality" is. That is an issue for philosophers to decide. And no science can be conducted without proper definition. Ask any of them to exactly define "morality" in an unambiguous way. They would probably tell you that such isn't necessary, which is largely why they are (still) not really qualified to be referred to as "scientists".

Anyone can trump up what superficially appears to be a scientific experiment with all of the buzz words in place: "this was a double blind study", "81% of the non-control group responded positively",.... The sad fact is that most people doing such things are very, very sloppy and often have ulterior motives.

Ask what the scientific definition of "morality" is. Without such a precise definition, no measure of it can be scientifically made.

And all of that is not to discount Arminius' point that the very concept of morality, and thus good and evil, does not apply to animal behavior, and that includes human infants. Homosapians aren't all that much different than other animals. What doesn't apply to other animals only might barely apply to homosapians.

The one example [amongst many researches done] was to counter Arminius' point that 'no one is born with moral competency, rather moral is learned'.

If you want to give a credible counter you will need to have some idea of the other research done [do a literature review] on this point.

Note most people can understand basic morality and those psychologists who has done research on it are surely capable of understanding what is morality at the basic level.

When I refer to those research I am backing it with my knowledge of the Philosophy of Morality.

Your psychologist references are off mark for the same reason that you are - a complete lack of understanding of what morality and evil actually is and is actually all about.
One of my forte is on Philosophy of Moral & Ethics with emphasis of Kant and in general. Such research as the above will substantiate many of Kant's fundamentals on his Philosophy of Morality, e.g. his Categorical Imperative and his full Framework and System of Morality and Ethics.

I wonder what is your credibility and strength on this topic of morality and Ethics? Give me some references or anything to support your claim your have any reasonable knowledge on the Philosophy of Morality. I predict your idea of Morality may be grounded on a delusion??
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