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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:34 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Kriswest wrote:You cannot worship one with out the other . The fact you identify evil as you do,, is worship.


So if I identity an inbound missile, about to blow me up, I am worshipping the missile as well? If I identity the random guy who robbed me, I am worshiping him too?

Wow, you have a child's view.
It is about intent,thought, not object.
To worship:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship
What most do not understand is that the opposite of all the positive is still worship. To truly worship good you must also hold devotion to its opposite. Instead of knee jerk reply . Give it time and truly think about it.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arminius » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:58 pm

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Arminius wrote:People have to learn what "good" and "evil" mean. That is a fact. And this fact is the reason why morality is almost always misused in education, regardless whether in kindergartens, schools, universities, or by the mass media, the political system.
Yep.
James S Saint wrote:Choosing evil is choosing a path that reduces anentropy. It doesn't matter what is declared or dictated as "Evil".

How many infants comprehend Anentropy (not counting the ones on this forum)?

Infants learn and want to learn (they are very much interested in learning), whereas many ILP members seem to have stopped learning.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby James S Saint » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:37 pm

Evil requires intent.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:46 pm

As does good
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:36 am

Kriswest wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Kriswest wrote:You cannot worship one with out the other . The fact you identify evil as you do,, is worship.


So if I identity an inbound missile, about to blow me up, I am worshipping the missile as well? If I identity the random guy who robbed me, I am worshiping him too?

Wow, you have a child's view.
It is about intent,thought, not object.
To worship:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship
What most do not understand is that the opposite of all the positive is still worship. To truly worship good you must also hold devotion to its opposite. Instead of knee jerk reply . Give it time and truly think about it.


I've already thought about it in one second. I firmly believe that you are talking out of your bottom.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:38 am

Arminius wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:No, that's such a wrong headed way of looking at it.

That's like a blueprint of a house, and you say the house doesn't exist, because you look at individual pages of the blueprints and don't see a house.

No. You are wrong. What he is (and you are) saying is like saying "everything I say is true because it is possible to be true". That is not how science works and how science should work, because, if it does, then it is no science anymore. Moreover: He is misusing a philosopher of the 18th century as his witness for his 21st century "statements". There is no morality gene. Period. :!:


So do you believe morality is not influenced by genetics at all.

Mice are as moral as humans, preying mantis are as moral as mice correct?
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:04 am

James S Saint wrote:Choosing evil is choosing a path that reduces anentropy. It doesn't matter what is declared or dictated as "Evil".


Is anentropy local or non-local? In other words, is personal good the same as universal good?
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:35 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Remove the DNA potential of growing a human who commits acts of evil and you will will have a corpse.
Ignorant again.

Still accusing of his own guilt.

Prismatic567 wrote:Once we are aware of the ultimate root causes we can strive towards dealing with the DNA and neural connectivity in the brain in the future, e.g.

:lol:
"After we have the trial, we will hang him".

You already proclaim the "root cause" as being the DNA (the foundation of the person). But then you say once you "discover" (aka. "create enough statistics to convince people of our decision"), you will decide what to do about it.
:lol:

..never, never license this guy for a gun. :-?

Prismatic567 wrote:1. Genomics
Within the next 100 years it is possible for humanity to manipulate any DNA factors that contribute to 'evil' [as defined].
Obviously there are many potential of complicated side-effects in manipulating the DNA but it is nevertheless a possibility and executable when we have developed fool proofs methods.

2. Connectome
    A connectome \kəˈnɛktoʊm\ is a comprehensive map of neural connections in the brain, and may be thought of as its "wiring diagram". More broadly, a connectome would include the mapping of all neural connections within an organism's nervous system.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectome

Within the next 100 years, it is possible for humanity to map out all [if not the major and critical ones] the neural connectivity in the human brain.
With various technology, e.g. nano-technology and other advance technology humanity would be able to promote stronger inhibitors that will enable one to modulate the potentially evil impulses before they turned 'evil' in reality.

Within the next 100 years or more humanity would be able to have access to a diverse range of advance knowledge, technology and self-development programs to manage their potentially evil impulses.

In the meantime where we have people with ostrich-mentality like you, how are we to progress effectively.

Your defacto definition of "Evil" is "Whatever our socialist regime declares unwanted behavior".

You are proving to be a true sociopath.
Ignorant again.
You ignored what I wrote earlier;
Prismatic567 wrote:I am not proposing that we do something to the DNA and neural connectivity now. What is critical is for the majority to understand the ultimate root causes as mentioned in the OP and other posts herein.


Note I mentioned the above are possibilities that humanity can look into in the future.
Whatever steps humanity take and implement in the future [say next 100 years] must be absolutely fool proof.

Your defacto definition of "Evil" is "Whatever our socialist regime declares unwanted behavior".
I have to say the above view [straw man] and inventing definitions on behalf of others is very stupid.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby James S Saint » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:24 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Choosing evil is choosing a path that reduces anentropy. It doesn't matter what is declared or dictated as "Evil".


Is anentropy local or non-local? In other words, is personal good the same as universal good?

The bad thing is that the only way to achieve a perfect balance, one must consider literally ALL things. The good thing is that there is room for mistakes and forgivenesses. So the local must be balanced with the regional under an understanding of how to compensate for misalignment without throwing the balance even further off. That is the purpose of the SAM Coop.

Prismatic567 wrote:Ignorant again.

That seems to be your only defense left. You can't even define the words you are using, so you (in almost every post) have to insult whoever is disagreeing with you.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:36 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:Ignorant again.

That seems to be your only defense left. You can't even define the words you are using, so you (in almost every post) have to insult whoever is disagreeing with you.
Can't be an insult if it is a demonstrated and justified fact.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:57 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Kriswest wrote:Wow, you have a child's view.
It is about intent,thought, not object.
To worship:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship
What most do not understand is that the opposite of all the positive is still worship. To truly worship good you must also hold devotion to its opposite. Instead of knee jerk reply . Give it time and truly think about it.


I've already thought about it in one second. I firmly believe that you are talking out of your bottom.

Too bad your brain can only manage one second of thought or you might learn new perspectives and ideas rather than cling to old or warped ideas.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:06 pm

Seems like you are the one clinging to old warped ideas. You can't even get an insult right, girl, I never said my brain can only handle 1 second of thought...you can't even make insults that are logically coherent.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:07 pm

Good: the flow of energy down the path of equal resistance
Bad: the flow of energy down the path of less resistance (under-performance) or more resistance (over-performance)
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:17 pm

James S Saint wrote:The bad thing is that the only way to achieve a perfect balance, one must consider literally ALL things. The good thing is that there is room for mistakes and forgivenesses. So the local must be balanced with the regional under an understanding of how to compensate for misalignment without throwing the balance even further off. That is the purpose of the SAM Coop.


I don't think that life is an effort to maintain some sort of equilibrium. I think that life is energy flow. Energy flow is an expansive process that seeks the path of near-equal resistance. Balancing, in this sense, merely refers to choosing the right path. Bad is defined as energy flow down the path of less resistance (under-performance, waste of potential) or down the path of more resistance (over-performance.)
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:05 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Seems like you are the one clinging to old warped ideas. You can't even get an insult right, girl, I never said my brain can only handle 1 second of thought...you can't even make insults that are logically coherent.

I didn't not say it could only handle 1 second. Try slowing down and actually comprehend what you read.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:21 pm

Kriswest wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Seems like you are the one clinging to old warped ideas. You can't even get an insult right, girl, I never said my brain can only handle 1 second of thought...you can't even make insults that are logically coherent.

I didn't not say it could only handle 1 second. Try slowing down and actually comprehend what you read.


I say the same to you.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:22 pm

Kriswest wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Seems like you are the one clinging to old warped ideas. You can't even get an insult right, girl, I never said my brain can only handle 1 second of thought...you can't even make insults that are logically coherent.

I didn't not say it could only handle 1 second. Try slowing down and actually comprehend what you read.


All you are doing is twisting words and putting your own delusional meanings into it.

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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:51 pm

Just guessing but, you really did not study the definitions did you.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:20 pm

One Liner wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:What appears to me to be evil about humans is the fact that, worshipping the idols of nationalism and progress, they lay waste to the ecosystems that sustain life.

Some call it progress.



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One Liner,

Ask this little guy what he thinks of it.
Does progress ALSO come with solutions?


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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:24 pm

Kriswest wrote:Just guessing but, you really did not study the definitions did you.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Kriswest » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:08 pm

Yea,
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:01 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:
James S Saint wrote:The bad thing is that the only way to achieve a perfect balance, one must consider literally ALL things. The good thing is that there is room for mistakes and forgivenesses. So the local must be balanced with the regional under an understanding of how to compensate for misalignment without throwing the balance even further off. That is the purpose of the SAM Coop.


I don't think that life is an effort to maintain some sort of equilibrium. I think that life is energy flow. Energy flow is an expansive process that seeks the path of near-equal resistance. Balancing, in this sense, merely refers to choosing the right path. Bad is defined as energy flow down the path of less resistance (under-performance, waste of potential) or down the path of more resistance (over-performance.)
Life is dynamic equilibrium, e.g.



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Good and Evil in the case of the OP should be viewed within the Moral/Ethics perspective [btw no theological considerations.].
What is absolutely good and evil together with their variations should be defined and clearly stated based on empirical evidences and philosophical justifications. For example it is not difficult to agree that genocides, mass rapes, and the likes are obviously evil as defined. Those who commit such acts will believe their evil acts are good, but such arguments can be easily refuted.

Once we have established what is supposedly to be absolutely good or evil from the Moral perspective [Theory] we can implement various Ethics [applied] strategies to manage what is to be good and avoid evil. Such a process will be quite complicated but very feasible on a progressive and continuous improvement approach.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:44 pm

There is a difference between growth and balance. Growth is increase in size, balance is maintenance of size. Thus, a self-directed being that aims for growth will strive to increase its size over time, whereas a self-directed being that aims for equilibrium is not interested in growth as much as it is interested in preserving its size.

If we understand being as quantity of energy, then self-directed growth would be choosing the path of greatest gain/loss ratio whereas self-maintained equilibrium would be choosing the path of gain/loss ratio that is nearest to one.

In the former case, beings desire to gain as much energy as possible. In the latter case, beings desire to exchange as little energy as possible.

Life can be either of the two. Nonetheless, I consider growth to be superior to balancing, thus, life proper.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:29 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:There is a difference between growth and balance. Growth is increase in size, balance is maintenance of size. Thus, a self-directed being that aims for growth will strive to increase its size over time, whereas a self-directed being that aims for equilibrium is not interested in growth as much as it is interested in preserving its size.

If we understand being as quantity of energy, then self-directed growth would be choosing the path of greatest gain/loss ratio whereas self-maintained equilibrium would be choosing the path of gain/loss ratio that is nearest to one.

In the former case, beings desire to gain as much energy as possible. In the latter case, beings desire to exchange as little energy as possible.

Life can be either of the two. Nonetheless, I consider growth to be superior to balancing, thus, life proper.
The Tao symbol represent growth [change] and balance in complementarity.
Point is whatever the change [growth or otherwise], it must always leveraged strongly in complementarity with balance in terms of dynamic equilibrium as life of optimal well-being should be.
This is a central principle in most of the Eastern spirituality and religions.
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Re: DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be Evil

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:00 pm

The two patterns are different. Either you strive towards growth or you strive towards balance. You cannot have it both ways. That would be dishonest.

The Tao symbol represents movement towards balance, not growth.
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