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Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Prismatic567 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:35 am

What an ignorant Prime Minister!

http://en.cijnews.com/?p=46210

“This is an opportunity for us to come together and reflect on what makes Canada extraordinary as a country.

“We are a place that has figured out that diversity can be a source of strength not just a source of weakness and as I look at this beautiful room with the sisters upstairs, everyone here, the diversity.


This is a real case of inattentional blindness like not seeing the 500 pound gorilla in the room.
Research on a phenomenon known as inattentional blindness suggests that unless we pay close attention, we can miss even the most conspicuous events.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr01/blindness.aspx


Islam [not Muslims] is inherently misogynistic and the devil is right front of PM Trudeau's eyes while saying it and still cannot perceive the immorality and evilness of what he is seeing within a modern society.

Unfortunately this is happening all over the world where leaders and apologists bend over to please Muslims but are very ignorant of the dangers and threats inherent within Islam.

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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Kriswest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:38 am

I read his speech, and all I saw was a person talking about acceptance of difference not apologizing. If those women want to be separated then what is wrong with that? They are free to choose. It may be mysogeny but, if those women freely accept then I feel no pity.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:43 pm

If those women want to be separated then what is wrong with that? They are free to choose. It may be mysogeny but, if those women freely accept then I feel no pity.
That is the big question.
Are they free to choose?
Are they forced to accept it?

Given the heavy handedness (aggressiveness) of many Muslim men, it's very likely that the women are not choosing it freely.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:54 pm

Segregation of women already occurs in society. At work males are not allowed to flirt with women, this is a form of sexual stratification.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Kriswest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:48 pm

phyllo wrote:
If those women want to be separated then what is wrong with that? They are free to choose. It may be mysogeny but, if those women freely accept then I feel no pity.
That is the big question.
Are they free to choose?
Are they forced to accept it?

Given the heavy handedness (aggressiveness) of many Muslim men, it's very likely that the women are not choosing it freely.


Generational massive Stockholm syndrome? It is possible especially if the women were bred to be stupid and utterly passive. But,,,, we know they are not bred so. We know the women outnumber the men. And I take it you have never seen the temper of a middle eastern woman? They just ain't that passive,, passionate but, not passive. :)
When intelligent passionate females outnumber the one bully arrogant heavyhanded male,,, what would be the result?? I and so so so many billions of women from all walks of life and religions would end his life, poison or blade. Why would not these women that are subject generationally?
I do think that while the men hold the reigns of governing,, the women are content letting them do so, again, they outnumber the males and they just are not stupid. I also see outsiders, that do not live within the walls of many different homes of these people, making the complaints and accusations. There have been the disgruntled of the religion but, all religions get those.
Sorry, for the length of post. I just do not buy brow beaten stockholmed females, a few sure,, the majority, nope.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:58 pm

You underestimate the power of text. Women are not obedient to men but to gods.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:04 pm

But,,,, we know they are not bred so. We know the women outnumber the men. And I take it you have never seen the temper of a middle eastern woman? They just ain't that passive,, passionate but, not passive. :)
When intelligent passionate females outnumber the one bully arrogant heavyhanded male,,, what would be the result?? I and so so so many billions of women from all walks of life and religions would end his life, poison or blade. Why would not these women that are subject generationally?
I do think that while the men hold the reigns of governing,, the women are content letting them do so, again, they outnumber the males and they just are not stupid. I also see outsiders, that do not live within the walls of many different homes of these people, making the complaints and accusations. There have been the disgruntled of the religion but, all religions get those.
Sorry, for the length of post. I just do not buy brow beaten stockholmed females, a few sure,, the majority, nope.
If 14-year-old girl is called a whore by her father and brothers because she is wearing a 'short' skirt to school ... How do you think she will react? Will she be able to stand up to them? Is she going to take the punishments? Is she prepared to die for that principle?
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Kriswest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:19 pm

Who bought that 14 yr old her skirt? Did her mother or did the father? Is that 14 year old always going to be 14? Is she going to a public school or private? Did this 14 year old girl just fall off the turnip truck? Because at 14 yrs old you know the family dress codes. So she either is stupid or decided to defy. If it was defiance, then she would know what to expect.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:27 pm

Kris it sounds like you are in favor of female oppression. Is this true.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:28 pm

Who bought that 14 yr old her skirt?
Maybe she bought it herself. (It's fairly certain that the father did not buy it.)
Is that 14 year old always going to be 14?
???
Is she going to a public school or private?
Let's say public school since private schools often have uniforms. Is that a big deal?
Because at 14 yrs old you know the family dress codes. So she either is stupid or decided to defy. If it was defiance, then she would know what to expect.
If she must conform to the family dress code then she is not free to choose. So, you are making my point.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Kriswest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:41 pm

Ok, so just where did this 14 year old girl come up with the money to buy something since she lives in such a strict house?

14 year olds get mature eventually and learn to deal with family crap.
Public school friends will help her get outside influence and adapt , where a private religious school will have similar family values and the 14 is not likely to wear such a skirt.
We all have family dress codes. And we all even her are free to defy or not. At 14 she will know what the consequences are for choosing to wear the skirt. You said she chose to wear the skirt. So what is your point???
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:50 pm

Ok, so just where did this 14 year old girl come up with the money to buy something since she lives in such a strict house?
Somebody gave her money or a gift card. Why is this an issue?
We all have family dress codes. And we all even her are free to defy or not. At 14 she will know what the consequences are for choosing to wear the skirt. You said she chose to wear the skirt. So what is your point???
So she is being forced to conform and she is not free to choose.

Which contradicts you previous statements where you said that these women chose freely:
Kriswest wrote:
If those women want to be separated then what is wrong with that? They are free to choose. It may be mysogeny but, if those women freely accept then I feel no pity.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Kriswest » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:54 pm

Are you allowed to walk freely without repercussions naked in public?

The skirt: ok so this very restricted controlled 14 yr old girl walks to a store by herself and freely chooses to buy a skirt that she knows her family will disapprove of. Yea, in what deeply religious world does anyone turn loose a 14 year old unescorted with money??? Your premise has no validity.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby James S Saint » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:04 pm

Nihilism, weakness, nothingness, is the lack of contrast. There can be no strength at all anywhere in the universe without contrasted segregation (even in the deepest physics). Equalizing the female to the male merely weakens them both to extinction (the whole point).

Islam chooses to not play that same self-annihilation game (as to the Judaists, Blacks, Asians). Thus, they will stand where dim-white-folk faded away.

Whine about it to your grave. Afterward, there will be no one to hear you or care.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
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As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:22 pm

Islam is very nihilistic.
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:31 pm

Are you allowed to walk freely without repercussions naked in public?
Nobody said anything of the sort.
The skirt: ok so this very restricted controlled 14 yr old girl walks to a store by herself and freely chooses to buy a skirt that she knows her family will disapprove of. Yea, in what deeply religious world does anyone turn loose a 14 year old unescorted with money??? Your premise has no validity.
So in the 'deeply religious world' a girl is constantly watched and controlled so she can't do anything wrong. Is that what you are saying?

And you are also saying that she freely chooses what she does??

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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:33 pm

Equalizing the female to the male merely weakens them both to extinction (the whole point).
Equalizing in what sense?

Access to education?
Freedom to choose clothing?
Selecting a marriage partner?
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby James S Saint » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:55 pm

phyllo wrote:
Equalizing the female to the male merely weakens them both to extinction (the whole point).
Equalizing in what sense?

Access to education?
Freedom to choose clothing?
Selecting a marriage partner?

Decision making authority, both direct and indirect, intentional and inadvertent, overt and covert.

It is well known for a very long time that any truly 50/50 partnership has a high probability of failure (and for understandable reasons). The strongest male-female relationships are Dom/sub.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby phyllo » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:02 pm

Decision making authority, both direct and indirect, intentional and inadvertent, overt and covert.
Men ought to make decisions for women?

In principle, should not every individual make his/her own decisions with respect to his/her own life?
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Pandora » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:33 pm

It's not important what Trudeau is saying, it's in which direction the society is going. Canada is a liberal society and this is a direction its going.
The current adult generation is not really that important - it's the children and the next generations that are targeted. He's may be saying one thing to the parents, but once they are gone, the society and the social norms will take over. The next generations will not be the same.
He's a feminist too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUtRnkm1GlY

So is Obama: http://www.glamour.com/story/glamour-ex ... looks-like
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby James S Saint » Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:46 am

phyllo wrote:
Decision making authority, both direct and indirect, intentional and inadvertent, overt and covert.
Men ought to make decisions for women?

In principle, should not every individual make his/her own decisions with respect to his/her own life?

No one makes all of their decisions for themselves (without immediately going insane and becoming another sociopath). Every other person provides structure, within which each person can make decisions. When you remove that structure by making everything the same, rationality gets lost because all roads lead to the same result .. boring, idle, stagnation. Mindless and aimless emotionalism then rules the roost. There are no goals to achieve (a masculine necessity in life). There is no security assured (a feminine necessity in life). Extremes are tried and more invented, but there is only very short lived satisfaction because nothing is good enough of a catharsis to fill the void of tomorrow's inevitable drab, mundane, boredom. And the more they try, the worse it gradually gets (The Never Ending Story scenario).

Without guardrails, goals, and rules to provide structure, more tailored to fit the needs of the individual (masculine for males, feminine for females), misery, insanity, sociopathological justifications, and emotionalism follow. The idea that the homosapian brain is born as an entirely blank slate is and always was utter nonsense.

The male and the female have different structure needs within their need compendium. The female is more of a "tell me what you(all) want of me" and the male is more of a "okay, where are we going" type of innate attitude (after the more youthful, "what can I get away with" attitude).

    Male: What is our Goal?
    Female: How can I help you get us there?

As is most often the case, she becomes an inadvertent guardrail and goal for his demands that she must obey. Both become more hopeful of a full and meaningful life as each senses that they are doing what works for each other (or what the religious refer to as "going with God"). They form a natural team, far greater than either alone.

Evolution has ensured that those basic attitudes are DNA engendered. As Man removes them, structure is lost, as is homosapian. They got there by naturally rational reasoning. Remove nature in favor of artificial ideological constructs ("civility", "socialism") and natural reasoning goes with it.

Artificial structures only work well with artificial life.
You want evidence? Just look around.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Prismatic567 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:18 am

One of the reason for segregation of women in Islam is because Allah [their God] stated the females are "dirty" in addition to loads of verses that reinforced misogyny.
I will provide the verses later or one can google for them easily.

Now if an all powerful God said so that women are dirty, unclean, worth less, etc. Muslim must listen, obey and practice what are stated and commanded, otherwise they could go to HELL and be tortured in the worst possible manner eternally as specified in the Quran.

So the Islam [partly] is inherently evil with regard to misogyny and contributed to terrible evils and violence committed on female Muslims by SOME evil prone Muslims [males and females].

In this case, PM Trudeau is indirectly complicit to the related sufferings of women in Canada that are related to this issue. [the women upstairs!! :evilfun: ].
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby James S Saint » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:08 am

It doesn't really matter WHY they do what they do, as long as it works better than what you are doing, besides which your WHY is not actually any better, despite what you believe.

When they gain due to what they do and you don't, guess what?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Prismatic567 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:59 am

James S Saint wrote:It doesn't really matter WHY they do what they do, as long as it works better than what you are doing, besides which your WHY is not actually any better, despite what you believe.

When they gain due to what they do and you don't, guess what?

Doesn't really matter????
What did that come from?

Note the fundamental moral imperative of respecting the basic dignity of individual[s].
Relative the present era, misogyny is a significant element of evil.

What you do not see [seemingly] is this element of evil is one of the many terrible evil elements in the Quran [i.e. Islam-in-part] that culminated in a full range of terrible evils and violence inflicted upon mankind by SOME evil prone Muslims.
As such we should condemn every part and bits of evil oozing from that overall evil ethos of Islam, not Muslims btw.

Here is one example amongst the many types of evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims;

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Re: Trudeau implies Islam segregation of women is Strength

Postby Prismatic567 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:30 am

Those who are ignorant of what is really in the Quran, i.e. the terrible evil and violence element plus the misogyny verses, then praised Islam as a peaceful religion, deserved to be called ignorant b.....ds. [like PM Trudeau in the OP] for they are ultimately & indirectly complicit to the real evils committed by SOME Muslims [not all] who are born with an active evil tendency.

Here are some verses where women are not presented in a good light;
in [] = mine.

    2:222. They [Muslims] question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation.
    Say: It [menstruation] is an illness, so let women alone at such time and go not in unto them till they are cleansed.
    And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you.
    Truly Allah loveth those [Muslims] who turn unto Him, and loveth those [Muslims] who have a care for cleanness.


    33:32. O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep [wives] your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he [infidel] in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.
    33:33. [Allahs' Instructions to the wives]
    And stay in your houses. Bedizen [dress tastelessly] not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of ignorance [of the past re Noah or Abraham]. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor due [zakat], and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you [wives], O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. [Women presumed unclean]

Elsewhere:

From Quran
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Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women."
Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they make more reliable witnesses.

Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it"
Men are to rub dirt on their hands, if there is no water to purify them, following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Quran (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."
A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse. If this is what Muhammad meant, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Quran (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names."
Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).

From Hadith & Sira
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Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.

Sahih Bukhari (2:29) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.

Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.

Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."

Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.

Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.

Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.

Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad traded captured women for horses.

Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."

Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."

Ishaq 969 - "Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons." - This same text also says that wives may be beaten for "unseemliness".

Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.
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