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Obama: Why I won't say 'Islamic terrorism'

Postby Prismatic567 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:42 am

Here is Obama view;

But on Wednesday at a CNN presidential town hall, he was asked to defend why he refuses to say "Islamic" terrorism to a Gold Star mother.

Obama called it a "sort of manufactured" issue.
"There is no doubt, and I've said repeatedly, where we see terrorist organizations like al Qaeda or ISIL -- They have perverted and distorted and tried to claim the mantle of Islam for an excuse for basically barbarism and death," he said.

"These are people who've killed children, killed Muslims, take sex slaves, there's no religious rationale that would justify in any way any of the things that they do," he said. "But what I have been careful about when I describe these issues is to make sure that we do not lump these murderers into the billion Muslims that exist around the world, including in this country, who are peaceful, who are responsible, who, in this country, are fellow troops and police officers and fire fighters and teachers and neighbors and friends."

The President compared using the term to if a Christian were a murderer but claiming their religion in their actions.
"If you had an organization that was going around killing and blowing people up and said, 'We're on the vanguard of Christianity.' As a Christian, I'm not going to let them claim my religion and say, 'you're killing for Christ.' I would say, that's ridiculous," Obama said.
"That's not what my religion stands for. Call these folks what they are, which is killers and terrorists," he added.

CNN


Do you agree with Obama's views?
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Re: Obama: Why I won't say 'Islamic terrorism'

Postby omar » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:21 am

Yes.
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Re: Obama: Why I won't say 'Islamic terrorism'

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:22 am

I don't agree with Obama's views and I believe he is just as ignorant of the real Islam as the Dalai Lama in this thread viewtopic.php?f=5&t=191291

Islam as it is practiced at present comprised the following;
What is Islam-Proper?

1. Islam proper -Quran-Only
2. Pseudo-Islam -Ahadith based Sunni, Shia, Sufi, etc.
3. Fringe Islam - include messenger other than Muhammad, etc.

An understanding of the full range of Islam will expose Obama politically-correct and ignorant understanding of Islam as what it is.

Here is a comment from someone and I agree fully with what is written;

Warming to his point, Obama said:
    “These are people who’ve
      killed children,
      killed Muslims,
      take sex slaves,
    there’s no religious rationale that would justify in any way any of the things that they do.”

Is he right? Of course not.
[Here are the supporting evidences from the texts of Islam]

“Killed children”:
    “It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.” — Sahih Muslim 4321

    “I was very happy to learn about the relevant hadith. I felt overjoyed when I heard it. [Mus’ab Ibn Juthama] told the Prophet Muhammad that while the Muslims would attack the polytheists at night, women and children would be harmed. The Prophet Muhammad answered: '[Their offspring] constitute part of them.' They are part of them, said our beloved Muhammad. This is not merely someone’s opinion. Thus, killing their women and children is permitted.” — Sudanese Muslim cleric Muhammad Al-Jazouli

“Killed Muslims”:
    “They but wish that you should reject faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: but do not take friends from their ranks until they emigrate in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegade, seize them and kill them wherever you find them…” — Qur’an 4:89.
To “emigrate in the way of Allah” would involve their becoming Muslim — but if they “turn renegade” after that, then they are to be killed.

    “The punishment of those who make war against Allah and his messenger and spread corruption in the land shall be to put them to death or to have them crucified or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to banish them from the land….” — Qur’an 5:33.
The Islamic State claims that is the caliphate, the sole authority that Muslims should obey, and that to oppose it therefore constitutes making war against Allah and his messenger. No exception is given in this Qur’an verse or anywhere else: nowhere are Muslims who are considered to have made war against Allah and his messenger exempted from this death penalty.

“Take sex slaves”:
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50).
The Qur’an says:
    “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have paid their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses of those whom Allah has given you as spoils of war” (33:50).
4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.

The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls:
    “The believers must win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or whom their right hands possess, for they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)


We as individual[s] should never accept blindly the views from others [especially critics and zealous Muslims].
What is critical is one must read the Quran and other Islamic texts to reconfirm verses that are quoted and expressed by critics of Islam.


On using Christians and other religions as a counter:
Clinging determinedly to his fantasies, Obama added: “If you had an organization that was going around killing and blowing people up and said, ‘We’re on the vanguard of Christianity.’ As a Christian, I’m not going to let them claim my religion and say, ‘you’re killing for Christ.’ I would say, that’s ridiculous.”

Sure. But if this group was basing its actions on some twisted interpretation of Christian scripture, law enforcement and intelligence officials would be derelict in their duty if they didn’t study that interpretation — even if they understood it was wrong — in order to understand the motives and goals of the enemy and develop effective ways to defeat them.


From the expressed views of Obama in relation to Islam and Radical Islam, it is obvious Obama is ignorant of what Islam really represent.

It is very intellectually dishonest of a President [or any one] to express views when s/he is ignorant of the subject matter.
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Re: Obama: Why I won't say 'Islamic terrorism'

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:53 pm

Christianity isn't the same as Muslimism.

Christ=leader of Christianity.

Mohammed=leader of Muslimism.

Christ=pacifist who says turn thy cheeks.
Mohammed=promises 17 virgins for blowing up the non-believers.


The Crusaders and Catholics were Christian Terrorists but their actions didn't make any sense because they contradicted Christ. Muslim terrorists however do not contradict Mohammed.
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