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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:02 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:IF you review the history of mankind, the concept of theism 'progressed' from animism, deity worship to polytheism, then to monotheism.

Its not quite that simple, and I have done extensive reviewing for over 20 years.
What is certain is that Shamanism preceded all other forms. All religion is a derivative of Shamanism.
The first Shamans became, by reputation, Gods.
Shamanism is covered within animism and various primitive practices.
I believe the underlying substance of all religions is the existential crisis which is within shamanism and from day one of humans.
Not sure how you view 'shamanism' but there is no way the Abrahamic religions can reconcile with 'shamanism' in general.

As a child, it is natural the psychological security is covered by the parents but for adults who do they turned to?

It works the other way around just as powerfully. The parents are like the Titans to whom the child must rebel, finding "freedom", i.e. psychological security. In such a case "faith in God" can represent the persons own matured conscience.
It kind of depends on the family.

In any case what is always real is faith. It is faith that drives people to work for God(s). Gods themselves don't tend to be direct influences, not in the writings about them anyway. Invariably, the person to whom God is supposed to be talking does exactly the opposite of what God commands. I think this points to the struggle for conscience that religion represents.

The struggle to become aware of ones power to choose, the struggle with the enormous implications of a free act.
I think evolutionary, in general the child is programmed [DNA wise] for freedom/independence to distance itself from the parents, i.e. genetic dispersals [exist within all living things] but at the same time the impulse for security is very embedded deeply, primal and strong in the mind. So evolutionary there are two opposite forces pulling within independent wannabe adult and thus cognitive dissonance. This is one point of the inherent existential crisis which generate cognitive dissonance and the belief in God is the most effective solution for the majority.

Therefore what is fundamental is that inherent unavoidable existential crisis that is embedded deep in the pscyhe of humans.

I still like the phrase. But I don't see you have done the work to really make this claim and prove it.
Agree I have not gone into details on this. This is a very complex subject. Note I have given one clue re the cognitive dissonance from embedded need for security while being programmed to distance from one' source of established security.

This is the reason why many people reinforced theism, are born again or converted to theism during their later teens. It is quite easy for those who proselytize, all they need is to ask the vulnerable insecure [e.g. college students away from their secured nest], 'are you saved?' and this will trigger and invoke the existential crisis subliminal and compel that person to belief in a God.

The fact is when the inherent unavoidable existential crisis [mother of all dukkha] is dealt accordingly based on its ultimate psychological roots, there is no need for theism. This is why Buddhism [& others of the like] are non-theistic and so do have the negative baggage of theism.

And indeed Buddhism in its valid forms is Shamanism.
Meaning among other things that to engage the Void, one must engage first oneself, and transmute all ones energies. There is no Buddhism without Chi Kung. Or rather, all Buddhism without Chi Kung is vanity in the senses both of laziness and fallacious self-admiration.
I consider myself a near-expert on Buddhism. I am very confident Buddhism per se has nothing to do with Shamanism directly.
Shamanism and Buddhism deals with the same existential crisis but Buddhism's principles, methods and approach is unique.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Snark » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:04 am

Existence can be used to encapsulate all that is natural without any association with religious doctrine - and I was saying that *if* that was all you meant by God, then why have 2 words when one is sufficient and the other is associated with extra baggage.


I've been through this so many times that repetition is worse than just boring. It's downright irritating.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:06 pm

God is not an idea to be accepted or refuted; God is a force to be experienced. Of course this is "foolishness to the Greeks"!
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Silhouette » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:01 pm

Snark wrote:I've been through this so many times that repetition is worse than just boring. It's downright irritating.

Snark, I can see you have absolutely zero interest in explaining your beliefs in a communicable way to someone who believes differently, and far more interest in declaring aghast exasperation about how wasted your precious time is like a self-alleged veteran martyr prima donna. I have been nothing but polite, patient and engaged with you and you consistently meet this with insulting disrespect. You come across as a particularly unpleasant human being and I will do you the undeserved favour of terminating our conversation since this is clearly what you want, assuming you care in the slightest either way.

Ierrellus wrote:God is not an idea to be accepted or refuted; God is a force to be experienced. Of course this is "foolishness to the Greeks"!

Ierrellus, perhaps you have the ability to explain this experience of God where others have failed?

I've managed to prise out the following criteria of "dos and don'ts" when trying to experience God:

Silhouette wrote:It's not about: beliefs, ideas, concretes, abstracts, thinking, correlation as verification, overtness, truth-statements
It is about: existence, love, spirituality, subtleties, being personal yet boundless, analogies, incomplete descriptors and conditioned interpretations

How much do you agree with them?
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:56 pm

Silhouette wrote:I have been nothing but polite, patient and engaged with you

I couldn't disagree.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Snark » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:47 pm

Silhouette:

I agree you have been nothing but polite, patient, and engaged, but I have zero interest explain my "beliefs" ad infinitum. For example, in regards to my last post, do you have any idea how many times that's been asked that by someone who does not understand the difference between existence and things that have existence?

Ierrellus is right (I would only change the word "force" to "presence"). I am finally beginning to appreciate 1 Corinthians 2:14 and it's many translations.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:34 am

Silhouette wrote:
Snark wrote:I've been through this so many times that repetition is worse than just boring. It's downright irritating.

I have been nothing but polite, patient and engaged with you and you consistently meet this with insulting disrespect. You come across as a particularly unpleasant human being and I will do you the undeserved favour of terminating our conversation since this is clearly what you want, assuming you care in the slightest either way.
Didn't you notice the 'nic' and its meaning?
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:47 am

Ierrellus wrote:God is not an idea to be accepted or refuted; God is a force to be experienced. Of course this is "foolishness to the Greeks"!
The point is many of those with the highest degree of experiencing the force of God [at present] happened to be have mental issues, e.g. temporal epilepsy, schizophrenia and others.



or have a serious brain damage, note Jill Bolte a neuroscientist,



There are tons of research on this point. They made one wonder those who claimed to be prophet or messenger of a God thousands of years ago [no psychiatry to vet them] suffered similar mental problems.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Snark » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:36 am

Know what a "Galileo" is?

Odd that you would post the video with Jill Taylor as that supports what I've been saying. Silhouette can learn from it. Also, ever hear of Eban Alexander? Why not mention the countless NDE's, some of which are confirmed as having seen things that they could not have possibly seen from their position? What you describe, Prismatic, is exactly what one should expect if the brain acts like a biological receiver amplifier.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:28 am

Snark wrote:Know what a "Galileo" is?

Odd that you would post the video with Jill Taylor as that supports what I've been saying. Silhouette can learn from it. Also, ever hear of Eban Alexander? Why not mention the countless NDE's, some of which are confirmed as having seen things that they could not have possibly seen from their position?
NDE's are often used to support life thereafter [sham anyway] and not to directly support the existence of a God.

What you describe, Prismatic, is exactly what one should expect if the brain acts like a biological receiver amplifier.
This is too far fetched. I will not bother until there is sound empirical evidence of the transmitter.

Yours is a problem of Confirmation Bias. You merely assumed God exists [compelled psychologically] and from there try to find and justify whatever evidences you think is likely to be related to the existence of a God.

There are countless claims by various individuals who experienced the force of a 'God'.
The fact is such experiences are traceable to various root causes, i.e. brain damage, mental problems, drugs, stress, chemical, hallucinogens, etc.
Whilst no one would wish to repeat the experiences based on certain mental illness or brain damage, the experiences of God can be repeated by drugs, hallucinogens, & meditation techniques.

If God exists and is all powerful, why do God only wait for the above [other than meditation] very dangerous elements to transmit his force on those 'victims'? There are those who experienced God who ordered them to kill people.

The fact that the 'experiences of God' can be repeated by drugs, hallucinogens, meditation and other empirically based methods [brain stimulation], indicate the idea of God is more likely to be psychological rather than a God really exists as real within an empirical-rational reality or whatever reality theists are claiming.

Note God Helmet;
The term God Helmet refers to a controversial experimental apparatus in neurotheology. The apparatus, placed on the head of an experimental subject, stimulates the brain with magnetic fields. Persinger reports that at least 80 percent of his participants experience a presence beside them in the room, which they variously say feels like God or someone they knew who had died.


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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:28 pm

The presence of God experienced is not the product of some mechanical device. It is a bathing in a warm glow of Presence wherein all that is self and other knows belonging. Ideas divide people; the God experience unites them.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:32 am

Ierrellus wrote:The presence of God experienced is not the product of some mechanical device. It is a bathing in a warm glow of Presence wherein all that is self and other knows belonging. Ideas divide people; the God experience unites them.

The truth is the 'presence of God experienced' can be tested and repeated reasonably with a mechanical device.
Therefore if many people are experiencing 'God' when stimulated [by human experimenters] in certain parts of their brain, then the experience of 'God' is man made and not initiated by any real God.

The 'presence of God experienced' can also be induced by drugs & hallucinogens, repeatedly, thus this 'presence of God experienced' is human made.

In the case of the above video, the boy suffered from temporal epilepsy and feel he is God but such experience disappeared after he was treated. Many patients prefer to take medicine to make their God-experience disappear.

I have personally experienced 'God consciousness' while doing meditations in the past as being a panentheist. I still experience such intermittently but now I know, it was and is only a psychological and neural effect.

There is no convincing proofs God exists as real.

So it is most likely the idealized idea of God in humans are due to psychological reasons. It is just that for the majority of theists, the psychological reasons are milder.

It is a bathing in a warm glow of Presence wherein all that is self and other knows belonging.
Note the video re Jill Bolte who had such an experience due to a very serious stroke.
What is so interesting with Jill Bolte is she is a neuroscientist and thus [she is objective on such an experience] knew what was really going on [the neural processes and damage] in her mind while she experienced the so-called presence of 'God'. [she did not identify with God but something like Nirvana]
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:37 am

Prismatic567 wrote:I have personally experienced 'God consciousness' while doing meditations in the past as being a panentheist.
Haha :lol:
Gyahd, what a character. :icon-rolleyes:
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:01 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:I have personally experienced 'God consciousness' while doing meditations in the past as being a panentheist.
Haha :lol:
Gyahd, what a character. :icon-rolleyes:
Yes, :lol: :lol: I have to laugh at my previous beliefs that I had experienced 'god-consciousness'.
I am now wiser when others claimed they had experiences of God which are actually effects of certain brain and neural processes that can be reasonably repeated with drugs, hallucinogens, meditations, and the likes.

But your :lol: above is due to ignorance due to a lack of width and depth in philosophical and related knowledge relevant to this OP.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Snark » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:09 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:I have personally experienced 'God consciousness' while doing meditations in the past as being a panentheist.
Haha :lol:
Gyahd, what a character. :icon-rolleyes:

I'd estimate Prismatic has to be about 200 years old to have all the expertise, experience and years of study he claims to have behind him.

...certain brain and neural processes that can be reasonably repeated with drugs, hallucinogens, meditations, and the likes.
Well, duh. I certainly hope so.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:30 am

Snark wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:I have personally experienced 'God consciousness' while doing meditations in the past as being a panentheist.
Haha :lol:
Gyahd, what a character. :icon-rolleyes:

I'd estimate Prismatic has to be about 200 years old to have all the expertise, experience and years of study he claims to have behind him.
It is humanly possible.

I started with Advaita Vedanta in my teens;

Advaita Vedanta (IAST, Advaita Vedānta; Sanskrit: अद्वैत वेदान्त, literally, not-two), originally known as Puruṣavāda,[1][note 1] is a school of Hindu philosophy and religious practice, and one of the classic Indian paths to spiritual realization.[2]

The term Advaita refers to its idea that the soul (true Self, Atman) is the same as the highest metaphysical Reality (Brahman).

The followers of this school are known as Advaita Vedantins, or just Advaitins,[3] and they seek spiritual liberation through acquiring vidyā (knowledge)[4] of one's true identity as Atman, and the identity of Atman and Brahman.


Advaita Vedanta is basically monotheism [broadest sense] and pantheistic, I'd gradually progressed to panentheism then to non-theism. I had been doing meditation for >30 years changing from Hindu-based to one adapted from Buddhism.

In the last 3 years I spent full time on Islam, previous 3 years full time on Kant, previous 2 years full time on Buddhism, prior to that covered the philosophies all the popular Western philosophers. Amidst the above I had been voraciously vacuuming all knowledge from other relevant fields.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:41 am

Snark wrote:I'd estimate Prismatic has to be about 200 years old to have all the expertise, experience and years of study he claims to have behind him.

You really shouldn't have opened that door. :icon-rolleyes:
[-(
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:56 am

James S Saint wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:I have personally experienced 'God consciousness' while doing meditations in the past as being a panentheist.
Haha :lol:
Gyahd, what a character. :icon-rolleyes:
You should not cracked open this door with your silly laughter that led to other doors.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Snark » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:16 am

James S Saint wrote:
Snark wrote:I'd estimate Prismatic has to be about 200 years old to have all the expertise, experience and years of study he claims to have behind him.

You really shouldn't have opened that door. :icon-rolleyes:
[-(

LOL! All that and he didn't learn a dang thing except, perhaps, to boast about how "wise" he is.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:24 am

Well, narcissism has become pretty common in these days of Secular self worship.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Prismatic567 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:30 am

Snark wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Snark wrote:I'd estimate Prismatic has to be about 200 years old to have all the expertise, experience and years of study he claims to have behind him.

You really shouldn't have opened that door. :icon-rolleyes:
[-(

LOL! All that and he didn't learn a dang thing except, perhaps, to boast about how "wise" he is.
You are very ignorant of what is going on in the philosophical community or the academic community. In these communities it is very common to list down one's coverage of knowledge and skills in a CV or other reports. You're condemning them as boasting?

Note;
https://www.biography.com/people/groups ... ilosophers

In addition, I am showing you don't try to fool me with what you know of panentheism as I have gone through that phase.

If you were to reveal I would like to read your coverage and CV in relation to Philosophy. I will not accuse you as boasting.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:11 pm

Ierrellus wrote:God is not an idea to be accepted or refuted; God is a force to be experienced. Of course this is "foolishness to the Greeks"!


That would depend on the individual, Ierrellus ~~~ not on you.
Would you take away free will? Well, at the very least, there is free choice.

Is your God so limited that being all of the above is an impossibility?
Are we so limited that experiencing all of the above is an impossibility?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God is not an idea to be accepted or refuted; God is a force to be experienced. Of course this is "foolishness to the Greeks"!


That would depend on the individual, Ierrellus ~~~ not on you.
Would you take away free will? Well, at the very least, there is free choice.

Is your God so limited that being all of the above is an impossibility?
Are we so limited that experiencing all of the above is an impossibility?

"Foolishness to the Greeks."--God is more than an idea.
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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:27 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:God is not an idea to be accepted or refuted; God is a force to be experienced. Of course this is "foolishness to the Greeks"!


That would depend on the individual, Ierrellus ~~~ not on you.
Would you take away free will? Well, at the very least, there is free choice.

Is your God so limited that being all of the above is an impossibility?
Are we so limited that experiencing all of the above is an impossibility?

"Foolishness to the Greeks."--God is more than an idea.


I DID say experiencing all of the above.

If you had simply said before that God is not ONLY an idea to be accepted....

But you did correct yourself this time by saying that God is MORE than an idea.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: No Evidence For God, Why Still Believe?

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:05 pm

Arc,
You get hit in the face by a snowball. I ask you how that felt. What a foolish question! If I get hit by a snowball, I might understand something of what you felt. Intersubjecyive communication is as close as we can get to describing an experience. This is also how we can come to know God exists and what God is like. for believers.
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