The Feminization of Man

Perhaps what you are really addressing here is a male frustration that women do not have to be “mirrors” any longer?

For one, your argument builds upon the past which was completely controlled by patriarchy, where women were property, and they had no choice about their lives; they had to be mirrors. Man MADE woman be his personal looking-glass. Now the mirror is smashed and men must truly define themselves, with no advantage of feeling immediately superior to half the population. Thus, what your argument really points out is the male NEED to feel dominant by thinking of women as weaker, less intelligent, more conformist, and controlled.

As long as sex is used to procreate, women will be genetic filters who define the future by buying into ideals.

As long as there is no frontier to require male characteristics and technology makes individual traits, such as intelligence, physical strength or whatever obsolete, then gender will be irrelevant and the feminine, more docile sex will become dominant and preferable.

Males, females are becoming indistinguishable from one another and are converging into asexuality, not because they are the same or because they have ever been so, but because technology and culture has made any differences irrelevant and obsolete.

I am between tears and rage at this wonderful revelation, Satyr. I was just watching ‘Mad TV,’ my favorite show, and as you know they have a guest band play a song between the skits. This band was called the “Stokes,” if I remember correctly, but you should have seen these skinny little fuckers.

They had the whole “my life is miserable and I’m suffering because nobody understands me so I’ll sing a depressing song to express my sentiments, which will be sold as a product to miserable people everywhere who don’t know the difference between finger-nails across a chalk-board and an actual piece of music.” They exhibited the the new modern retro/goth/beat-nik style, you know, the sports jacket over the t-shirt, the tight jeans with holes in the knees, the messed up ‘bed-hair,’ the ‘druggy’ look, etc., etc., and they played some of the worst shit I have ever heard.

The song was composed of a couple chords, and of course it was in the predictable and mundane 4/4 time signature. It was absolute trash. In addition, the band members were ‘posturing’ with their instruments, the drummer had this look of intense concentration on his face, you know, the “if I make this look more complicated than it really is, people will think the song is better.”

Now get this. The audience was actually grooving to the music, but it wasn’t sincere. It was the “oh, this must be the part where we are supposed to support the band by swaying back and forth to the beat” deal.

What do I see here? I see the spirit of the age. I see the signs of decline in this ‘art.’ These guys weren’t ‘men’ or ‘women,’ they were some kind of empty automaton product, some kind of robot created to make fat men rich in the music industry.

Anyway, I thought I might share this with you. You have a very profound and sublime knowledge of things to come, Satyr, and I see it perfectly, especially on TV. The commercials, talk shows, sit-coms, all of it, geared to hypnotize a world of mindless consumers.

You and I might just be the last men standing on Earth, my friend. And its funny to think that the larger percentage of ILP are these people who I describe and they think to themselves “no way, detrop isn’t talking about me, just because I wear body-spray, have accessories all over my car, and listen to ‘hip-hop’ doesn’t make me a disaster.”

I speak too soon. These people are not ready for their destiny.

God - you’re such a cynical guy!! I dare sya this band “Strokes” are generic pish, mediocre showmanship and marketed for cliched depressive youths…but really your tone of self-righteousness, self-elevation…is a cliche tantmount to the pish you are so cynical of…

Ignore what I am saying - most thing’s are never meant.

Colinsign?! Where the hell have you been?

I’ve missed you girlfriend…uh, I mean ‘buddy.’

I know, isn’t it great? I have no time for these lesser mortals and I shan’t stop for anyone.

Now are you with me or against me? If you are against me…

RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

détrop

But pretentiousness seems to be part of the human condition and what makes civilization work.

I mean how many people do you know or have heard about claiming to prefer Belvedere’s Vodka over Smirnoff?
I actually saw a 20/20 special on it.

They taste tested a few “specialists” and connoisseurs of Vodka who swear on a particular expensive brand of alcohol.
None of the…NONE of them…could discern between the different brands even if they had a cost difference of 50%-100%.
Remarkably most considered their ‘preferred’ brand inferior to the other ones in a blind taste test and when one considered that few drank their Vodka ‘neat’ and without some fruit additive the results became more remarkable.

Then they had, so called, artists commenting on works of at, some of which were created by elephants and three-year-olds.
Most artists and art critics thought the splattering of children were abstract art worthy of museum space.
Then when they were told the truth most laughed it away or tried to insinuate that the children were “gifted” is some way.
One actually admitted that most of modern art depends on pretentious rich people wanting to display their worth and culture with works they neither comprehend nor can ever appreciate.

This got me thinking about name-brands and marketing and the pretentiousness they feed on. A pretentiousness prevalent in the music industry, as you mentioned.

Most can’t tell crap from crepes and yet they display a pretentious refinement of taste and discrimination which is supposed to display their sensitive palates and culture or their refined tastes and uniqueness. So they pay a few extra bucks to play the part, when they can’s really tell and they buy those Gucci sunglasses and that luxurious car and those name brand Blue-Jeans or that expensive bottled water, thinking this will raise their esteem and worth and how they appear to others, all the while making absolute idiots of themselves to anyone with an eye for such stupidity.

Can we not say the same for careers and diplomas?

The thing I’ve discovered is that most things thrive of pretentiousness and appear to be more or less than what they really are.
There’s an image associated with certain acquisitions and behaviors and this image is built on bullshit and cultural prejudices and facades.

Our “civilization” depends on weak-minded imbeciles wanting to pretend they are more than they are or that they are capable of more than they rally are.

You can see evidence of this, on this very forum.

You see detrop most of today’s civilization is based on bullshit and morons wanting to show themselves to be more than morons.
What they do is buy expensive, overpriced stuff, objects things which is supposed to represent they value, by its sheer overpricing and the image associated with it.

We get old-farts driving sport scars and twits with university diplomas pretending the image, associated with the job or label or marketing, is actually who and what they are.

Now that is the funniest thing of all.

Hey bueatiful! I’ve been reading and writing and intoxicating, for the past few weeks! I really should reply to the orignal post I placed upon here a few weeks ago…maybe I will…

I thought you acted so righteous because you felt inadquate, one of those net people who have terrible social skills and huge intellectual capabilities: which is actually the equivalent to being an IDIOT.

But, my darling, everything that is real is rational!

I am neither for nor against you - I am, perhaps, beside you.

I am alone.

I.

I have no friends, my family hates me, I can’t, or won’t, keep a job, and I haven’t been laid in months.

But I refuse to turn gay, so keep your hands off of me, toots.

The intellectual capabilities which I am stricken with, in this sesquipedal life, marks the torpidity of my spirit. The Gods have cursed me with too much knowledge, Colinsign, and for this the world calls me a monster.

Well, so says Hegel. But I’m a Kierkegaardian, and Hegel’s words are lemonade twaddle. Marx took anything decent and relevent out of it, so stick with him.

Actually - I took the phrase - “Everything that is real is rational” - from Italo Calvino, who in turn, may have lent from Hegel! I an no reader of Hegel any man who’s name rythmes with bagel is suspisous to me, for purely irrational reasons.

Re-your post on the “poor taste of tasters” analogy of a dead culture eating dead cultures. I too I am symptom of such a time - though I vary on one level perhaps - that I know my limitations - that i am The Idiot. I do not want to be naked and famous.

If had was a view I.Q. higher I reckon I would kill myself…thank God I am stupid enough to stay alive!

My God - my MASSIVE - grammar and spelling errors have only confirmed my idiocy, that’s something! What the final sentence should have read (as I am sure you already deduced was

“If my I.Q. was any higher I would probably kill myself…thank God I am stupid enough to stay alive…”

Anyway, I fear, I have taken over this thread with little more than WIND.

As it was, so it is, so it will be…
People were morons, people are morons, people will be morons…

(you gotta love Ecclesiastes)

“Vanity of vanities; all is vanity.” or,
“Vapor of vapors, all is vapor.” or perhaps,
“Absurdity of absurdities, all is absurdity.”

“And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge. And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. Does wisdom make people happy? For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.”

“I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.”

“He that loves silver will not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loves abundance with increase: this is also vanity.”

“As he came forth of his mother’s womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.”

Xander man - are you a believer?

I dunno about X-man, but…

I believe I can fly
I believe I can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day
I spread my wings and fly away

And what greater expression of vanity than a belief in God and in the immortality of our own souls?

You know what your problem is, Satyr?

You’re sane.

A man with that much knowledge must go crazy if he is to endure. You know too much. It is time for you to merely believe something.

détrop

You mean I only have one……problem?!
Whew……

Not according to our resident, on-line psychoanalyst, psyche I’m not.

But…thanks…I think… …Oops! There I go thinking again.

I do believe in ….something.

But you bring up an interesting subject and one I’ve been thinking about lately.
It has become clearer and clearer to me that awareness – and here I’m tooting my own horn – is an anathema to life.
Knowledge is anti-life in many ways.

We have been seduced by the Socratic promise that knowledge leads to virtue or that it is possible at all.
We have been duped by the notion of rationality and its promise to repair the imperfections of existence.
This has resulted in one-sided perspectives and on naïve interpretations of concepts such as love, justice, courage, liberty, nobility, morality, and virtue.

We have painted over the tragedy of life so as to promote an illusionary, ignorant joy and in the process we have made it a monstrous absurdity that can only fool the foolish and matter to the materialist.

Life depends on a degree of obscurity and on a level of mysticism.
The human mind was supposed to only enhance survivability and result in energy efficiency and material success. Instead, its own, unmitigated victory has resulted in it turning upon itself. The accidental by-product of self-awareness has uncovered the farce behind animalistic concerns.

There was a reason why the tree of knowledge was placed off-limits to Adam and Eve or why Nietzsche described knowledge as being detrimental to action or why Schopenhauer, along with many Buddhist teachings, preach a withdrawal, a disengagement from the world or why the veneer of Apollo becomes essential to hide the truth of Dionysus in Hellenism.

I mean I look around me and I see ignorant, naïve, simple minds totally immersed in life, completely taken with whatever they were given as meaningful or ‘right’ or ‘truth’.
I don’t mean to make this sound overly condescending – or perhaps I do - but it would appear that the simpler you are intellectually the more prone you are to become contented and to remain engaged and convinced and……happy.

The meek shall, truly, inherit the Earth, for the Earth was meant for them to inherit.
What place does a mind have in such a world of facades and illusions and where nothing of substance can be found?
This is a reality meant for instinct and blind action.
Courage here can be summed up as the consequence of spotty information and incomplete comprehension.
The risk taker is never aware of all the risks but only has an intuitive understanding of all the implications and possibilities. He acts out of sheer stupidity and hopes for the best.

I’m often amazed at what efforts and what sacrifices are made in pursuit of unknown and unattainable goals based on mere instinct and faith.
I look at the Iraq war, for example, and I see on both sides, bravery based on idiocy on utter obliviousness.
Then I look at western civilization and its Democratic/Capitalistic righteousness and I see a system dependant on its parts being completely convinced about the values it proposes and promotes and masses of unthinking, gullible, controllable minds that can dedicate a lifetime to the pursuit of material gain and social prestige in a universe with no property rights and an inevitable future.

They, of course, will assume that their love of life or their courage is the product of their character or some hidden mysterious power which gives them hope and serenity.
I see it as a product of ignorance.
If they could only perceive a fraction of what is involved in every decision, in every action, in every endeavour, they would freeze in their shoes.
If they could, for once, sense how futile and meaningless it is, they would be plunged into depths of despair from where they could never escape.

There are ample reasons to take advantage of the opportunity of consciousness and to explore reality.
But there is a difference between ignorance and forgetfulness or between unawareness and childlike indifference.

Much is said about living in the moment and enjoying life for what it is but if humans understood what this meant then all civilization would cease.
Civilization is built on the myth of posterity and many other ‘transcendental’ fallacies.

Really living in the moment means living as a child, with only the next moment as your event horizon, peacefully at play using his/her imagination and sharing it with others and transfixed by the singular, mesmerized by the instant and indifferent to everything and anything beyond that.

Do you have a girlfriend Satyr ?

Iron Dog

But of course not.
I would go further and say that I’ve never had a girlfriend…. ever.
In fact I’ve never had a friend, period.

I’m a lonely, bitter, decrepit loser compared to your well-adjusted, contented, fullness.
And I also do not bathe.

This is what separates me from you.
You, unlike me, were lucky enough to grow up strong and healthy with nourishing social ties and intimate human relationships. This would explain why you are so healthy and dumb.
This can only be the reason why you and I do not agree.

Necessity is the root of all progress.

I, on the other hand, have had a terrible, miserable existence, full of disappointments and defeat which would explain why I am so much smarter than you.

But you are happier. Just like my goldfish is happier than I am.

And of course sex and sexual activity and experience is how worth and value and existence is measured.
Congratulations.

Now go off and tell the world what a selfless, loving person you are.
And you have a girlfriend.
Wow!

Like woa…
like totally satyr, its like…you have made me see the light…and stuff

Your a bit odd.