It's not an all-or-nothing situation. We pay a price just for being number one. That's not a reason to be number two. Which is an illustration and not meant as the consequence for curtailing torture.
Torture is an emotional issue.
And we can do anything we want because "they have no choice" but to follow?
No, not anything. We're talking about one thing.
And from earlier posts those who want to prosecute the violation of 50 years of domestic and international law and standards of human rights are fringe and concerned only with political points?
There's nothing "fringe" about political rhetoric. You can try to put words in my mouth, but that's just more political rhetoric. It's a tool of the politician to put words in someone else's mouth.
Reads like a neo-conservative handbook.
I am the furthest thing from a neocon. It's also a tool of the political rhetoritician to ignore the other side's position, and to misrepresent it. The war was tragic and stupid. I'm just longing for someone, anyone, to admit that this wasn't just an evil plot by our leaders against us. That the vast majority of the populace was all for this war, despite clear evidence that there was no threat against us. Anyine who would endorse a war without ever having picked up a newspaper to see that there was no threat deserves whatever they get. I knew there was no threat. I'm not on the UN's mailing list. If I knew, anyone could have. I'm just tired of people whining "it's someone else's
fault". And they did this one thing, these leaders, that crossed the line. Well, the line is in the wrong place,then.
The line was crossed years ago, at the start of this war. We got what we were clamoring for. Hundreds of thousands died. But somehow torturing a few, who still have their lives, is a crime. The whole thing
was a crime, and we're the criminals. We (not I, specifically, but I didn't march in the streets, or even email Congress, either) loved the idea of it. And now we want to blame Bush and Cheney (which is what this is all about). I'd just like to see some of these registered Democrats and liberals take some personal responsibility and assign the rest where it belongs - to their friends and neighbors.
Perhaps I should also add that "And calling it Eurotrash does not an argument make.",
I know. But I just love saying "eurotrash". Comes from waiting tables for years, and not getting tipped by haughty frenchmen.