Aphorism 178

[Ascolo Parodites]

Koros and Sauwelios, you have already proven yourself to be deadbrains. Sauwelios if I needed yet ANOTHER interpretation of Nietzsche, there are about 500 very in depth ones on the internet. I didn't come to this forum to get one from the likes of you. I came for original thinkers, and none of you live up to that mark. So go ahead, say something else. 'Unmask' me, call me 'nonsense,' whatever you need to do to convince yourself that the last philosopher died over a hundred years ago.

[Ascolo Parodites]

Oh man. What a great retort Koros. Get out of my face with this garbage.

[Ascolo Parodites]

If you were really here just for 'fun' you wouldn't have jumped on my back- especially with such celerity.

[Ascolo Parodites]

My question is- what could Nietzsche possibly mean to you if you didn't consider yourself more capable than Nietzsche?

[Ascolo Parodites]

He himself asked you that with reference to the philosophers of the future.

[Koros]

The one that hungers calls his ribs instruments of power and his salivating proof of his primal state.

The Dice Man cometh and he bringeth snake-eyes, for the unlucky ones.
All a simple role of the bones, on the stones.

Yosarian struggles with the skin and guts, but it is the bones he msut contend with.

Εαν ειχες αρχιδια θα εισουνα αντρας

[Ascolo Parodites]

I haven't left my house in years. I have no friends. I know no love. Every hour is spent in anxiety or physical pain. The only thing I have are my thoughts. Thinking to you people is of second order importance: thinking for me is the only thing holding me back from death, it is not only my Veil of Maya but my Well of Egeria, my muse, my Moira, and my sphinx. If you really think anything you have to say, any of your inane criticisms (psychologically fueled I might add) are going to have an impact upon me even over death... than I have to tell you, that silence can be quite golden. I came here to share my joy: that means thought, it doesn't mean Nietzsche, and it doesn't mean rationalization.. which is what I accuse you of. You see me doing something which requires a supra-abundance of strength in our age: philosophy- and to find a way to dismiss it you rationalize it as a masturbation, an exercise in scholasticism, fraud, parroting, or simply nonsense. But I can explain it, and I did explain it: and how can it be a fraud, when I have nothing to sell- when, in psychological language, I have no need to satisfy (owing to my solitary nature) and consequently no gratification to be had? How could mere masturbation and scholarly pedanticism hold me away from death, how could it keep me alive?

[Ascolo Parodites]

The one that hungers calls his ribs instruments of power and his salivating proof of his primal state.

The Dice Man cometh and he bringeth snake-eyes, for the unlucky ones.
All a simple role of the bones, on the stones.

Yosarian struggles with the skin and guts, but it is the bones he msut contend with.

Εαν ειχες αρχιδια θα εισουνα αντρας

If you think that even remotely resembles my writing, then I know just how much of an idiot you are, so thank you. And the name Yossarian is familiar. You from freenode? If I have talked to you on IRC it is likely I offended you, so I at least know where you are coming from.

[MagsJ]

Even if you don't like what another poster is saying, please refrain from any ad homs as it just deteriorates a thread which leads to the need to lock it, so please keep the debate going but without the personal slurs - thanks!

[Koros]

You sell yourself, dear fellow.
You flaunt it like a two-bit whore...Magsi seems to selectively apply her moderation, as per usual, so who the fuck cares about her warnings or about her forum's bullshit civility rules?
It's all meant to protect the simpletons she considers up to her level, anyways.

I am deeply rational, and thanks for the compliment, I consider your brand of emotive prostitution highly entertaining, like a belly-dancer writhing and showing us the one hole she can, suggesting the other one.

Was I trying to imitate your drab feminine gyrating semantics or exposing your methods and how easy it is to pretending to say something deep when you say something simple that should be expressed simply?

You have insulted me twice, and received nothing but a slap on the wrist, after I exposed the duplicity of what passes as objective moderation on this forum, I will have to reciprocate, expressing how deeply I've been affected, with this:

[MagsJ]

That wasn't specifically aimed at you in particular, but at any poster in this thread who may be guilty of...

You really don't get me at all, do ya? but then again, not many do!

[Koros]

That wasn't specifically aimed at you in particular, but at any poster in this thread who may be guilty of...

You really don't get me at all, do ya? but then again, not many do!

don't I?

I wonder if you've sent him a personal warning, you so precious holder of such profound responsibilities; you shepherd of vulnerability.

Keep a close eye, that I may not slip up offering you that desired excuse to flex that community muscle of yours...but turn away when it is directed at those you do not like much.

Then you can return this place to its sorry state of boring repartee and mundane babbling.

Is there a God?
What is free-will?
What is time?

Brilliant shit.
Or maybe this guy with his flowery verbosity and Latin flair suffices as a substitute.

[Ascolo Parodites]

Take a few of my vicodin here and calm down Koros.

[Koros]

Am I not calm?

This has nothing to do with you.
You are a mere pretext.

This is about the duplicity of a herd that pretends to be intellectually inclined and guided by principles of reason and exploration of reality.
There is an absence of integrity here.

This is my true foe.
The duplicitous humility of the most arrogant, attacking in unison, the one that confronts and challenges their ego, hidden behind the masks...denouncing him as egotistical.

[Ascolo Parodites]

No actually you are not calm. You want to call me egotistical but I don't lash out until someone lashes in.

[Koros]

No actually you are not calm. You want to call me egotistical but I don't lash out until someone lashes in.

Let me check my pulse.....
no I'm fine.

Tell it to me in Latin...it makes it sound more assertive and mysteriously impressive.

[Peachy Nietzsche]

Ascolo Parodities, your intelligence and potential are going to waste when you use them to assert an ego that doesn't matter or amount to anything admirable - it only accumulates into a wall that separates you from any potential readers.

Nietzsche made the same mistake; the perceived hostility in his writings resulted in his fame and recognition not being reached until years later - in which he had already sunk into dementia by then.

If that is a part of how you write, then by all means keep that tone in your writing - but I do not think it would hurt to incorporate a literary 'entrance point' for the readers of your writings; something that would invite a reader's attention and cause them to be absorbed in your train of thought.

As of what little of your writings I have read, it seems that you think "good writing" is synonymous with "incomprehensibly sophisticated" - This doesn't necessarily reflect to the reader your intelligence, and it would probably deter even some of the greater writers of our time, if they tried reading it. It is not because they wouldn't be smart enough to comprehend it, it is because your sentence structure and rhetoric is too demanding of a reader's attention; the subjects in your sentences are often lost in the reader's train of thought as the reader tries to 'tie in' more and more input for a not-yet-completely-understood sentence.
I can imagine that even some of the best scholars of language would mentally stutter while reading your writings, and have to re-read a paragraph several times over before being able to fully grasp it. Some might even mistake it for bad writing, which I do not believe that it is.

Unless you are intentionally trying to make your writing bland and difficult (such as Kant did) for the purpose of attracting only a select audience of high-intellectuals, then I would highly recommend re-designing your writing style. It doesn't seem to me that you view your writing as having the purpose of boring the reader; I think you view your writings as art - but understand that 'art' is subjective and depends on the audience - it is a bit much to ask for a highly intellectual audience that still has a fine taste for literary art.

[MagsJ]

I wonder if you've sent him a personal warning, you so precious holder of such profound responsibilities; you shepherd of vulnerability.

That is none of your concern as that's on a need to know basis, and you don't... need to know!

Keep a close eye, that I may not slip up offering you that desired excuse to flex that community muscle of yours...but turn away when it is directed at those you do not like much.

...being derisive towards others reeks of negative energy - if you don't like it here you are free to take it else where, got it!

...and, like I said, you don't know me very well at all, so stop assuming shit about me that you have picked up along the way from interacting with the mediocre and average and then get back to me I'll be waiting!

[Sauwelios]

Now that I've finally found some agreement about Mr. Parodites' writings (in Koros and Peachy Nietzsche), I feel I have treated him wrong. I sincerely believed that he was the member formerly known as détrop, and that he had advertently wasted my (and others') time. I no longer believe that, however. I still do not like his style, which presupposes that the reader finds his thinking interesting enough to try and decipher his writings (which I obviously do not), but who knows? In a century or so there may be someone who is as fanatical about him as I am about Nietzsche. Therefore I will henceforth negate him in the same way I did just before I wrongly recognised him as détrop: by looking away.

[Ascolo Parodites]

I find my thoughts interesting enough for the attention required to digest them in the writing, so that is good enough. My form of writing is culled on what I consider good writing, which is nothing more than what I enjoy reading; the winding and ponderous sentences are Baroque, they come from Thomas brown, the collage-like Latin comes from Hamann and Burton, the digressions and use of metaphors from Nietzsche, etc.

[Silhouette]

"Few are made for independence - it is a privilege of the strong. And he who attempts it, having the completest right to it but without being compelled to, thereby proves that he is probably not only strong but also daring to the point of recklessness. He ventures into a labyrinth, he multiplies by a thousand the dangers which life as such already brings with it, not the smallest of which is that no one can behold how and where he goes astray, is cut off from others, and is torn to pieces limb from limb by some cave-minotaur of conscience. If such a one is destroyed, it takes place so far from the understanding of men that they neither feel it nor sympathise - and he can no longer go back! He can no longer go back even to the pity of men! -" BGE 29

"The unfortunate one, also, did not seem to notice that some one was beside him; on the contrary, he continually looked around with moving gestures, like one forsaken and isolated from all the world. At last, however, after much trembling and convulsion, and curling-himself-up, he began to lament thus: Who warm'th me, who lov'th me still?....All my hot tears in streamlets trickle their course to thee! And all my final hearty fervour - Up-glow'th to thee! Oh, come thou back, mine unfamiliar God! My pain! My final bliss! Here, however Zarathustra could no longer restrain himself; he took his staff and struck the wailer with all his might. Stop this, cried he to him with wrathful laughter. Stop this, thou stage-player! Thou false coiner! Thou liar from the very heart! I know thee well! I will soon make warm legs to thee, thou evil magician: I know well how - to make it hot for such as thou!" TSZ 65

"I insist that philosophical labourers and men of science in general should once and for all cease to be confused with philosophers" BGE 211

What have I revealed here? An unashamed love of Nietzsche, a knowledge of at least two of his books, an understanding of this thread and an ability to unite these things in one post.

What is revealed in the opening post of this thread? A desire to share, a selective idea of who to share with, and thereby a readiness to deal with those who don't feel shared with when sharing was the intention.

Ascolo, you feign to merely express yourself and that is good enough, but a public presentation of material over a private record of it undeniably shows a need to interact with others, expecting a response. Do you think anyone on this forum has received your written excesses in accordance with how you intended us to receive them? If you wish to show us your fruits, and then tell us they were only for you, you show us instead that your pride has been wounded.

I think the crux of all of this is that people get pissed off with incapability more than anything. You demonstrate incapability by desiring a positive response to what you are proud of and then when it is not met how you hoped, you insult us by attempting to cover this up. It is clear what your intention was and that you failed in your intention, and this failure is neither laughed at or mourned. You retreat and carry on as you were, *acting* like your pride was not wounded when it has been. A simple *show* of honesty would have avoided all of this hostility.

What you do show is a capability in engaging with us on the level of petty argument and not on the level that you supposed was your true height - your written thoughts. This ungreatness is why I will equate you with "The Magician" in my second quote of the above three, and not the first.

You medicate your outbursts and panics and pains. This is treatment as concealment - physicians of this day love that. Your overflow is not met with acceptance and joy. You feel compelled to withdraw yourself, NOT to attempt independence. You submit your independence to your master: the shame of being rejected by social expectation. This demonstrates your engagement with the herd and the herd instinct, in that you heed their words and you attribute them value. Now you show them that you *are* of use to them with your proud works, but only to the few of them - the utility herd scholastic labourers - so that your place amongst them will feel special and *validate* your withdrawal from society as something that you are now in control of and justified in doing. This, rather than submitting with honesty that you withdrew in fear.

[Ascolo Parodites]

I am only a sea that coughs up rocks, eels, and fish- as well as pearls. My thoughts have as much use to me as these things have to the sea: but dogs can eat the fish, mortar-workers can build homes and cities, and with the pearls- daughters even can be bought. Whatever use there is, is for you to decide. My writings have nothing to do with me.

[Ascolo Parodites]

But I have no depth of fear- only hebetation. I am tried of man; every bit of my power is directed and re-directed into my written words, leaving nothing but dead air, hot fumes, and torpescence with which for me to engage you.