Seconded.
What Pav is talking about, was the discussion that was had about how to go about this whole thing.
Each match is as if it is the first time we have ever heard of either religions or the arguments for or against either.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:42 am
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by humegotitright » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:32 pm
I would be interested to hear the breakdown of how the judges came to decide on Scientology?
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:55 pm
Sure thing:
Oh, and there may be many factors that come in to making up a Judges mind, but for the sake of brevity (because we don't want judging to be a debate in it's own right), we are restricted to a brief sentence, and one (at most 2) posts cited as the most influential in our decision.
Judge #1
Wonderer - in favor of Scientology. He almost made a convert of Oughtist on the spot.
Judge #2
(in favor of Roman Catholicism) humegotitright's post: Greater chance of prayers seeming to be answered and therefore, seemingly more believable; uncontested by the Scientology argument of the Match.
Judge #3
Wonderer in favor of Scientology (this means, in favor of Scientology, due to Wonderer's posts)
Oh, and there may be many factors that come in to making up a Judges mind, but for the sake of brevity (because we don't want judging to be a debate in it's own right), we are restricted to a brief sentence, and one (at most 2) posts cited as the most influential in our decision.
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Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Oughtist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:06 am
Daaammmnn Yooouuu, Scientology-bot!!!
(I would hasten to reiterate, though, the question as to whether Scientology has any anti-demonic incantations, which remained unanswered... but, hey, I'm putting my money on Rasta-by-default now anyway
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(I would hasten to reiterate, though, the question as to whether Scientology has any anti-demonic incantations, which remained unanswered... but, hey, I'm putting my money on Rasta-by-default now anyway
)If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Oughtist » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:36 am
Criminy Crackers!!! I'm a curse to all religions I touch... hmm, maybe that explains my atheism: I'm simply doing Religion a favour by avoiding it in real life. 
If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:41 am
LOL
Or, you do it a favor by giving a benchmark of challenge for the opposing sides.
Or, you do it a favor by giving a benchmark of challenge for the opposing sides.
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Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Oughtist » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:51 am
ya, ...how Christian of me, no?
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Wonderer » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:57 am
wait wait wait, i made posts AGAINST Scientology...
lol, were my arguments so bad that Scientology looked good?
HMMM, or perhaps my arguments were simply applied to RC'ism better than scientology?
I need closure on this issue dammit!!!!!
lol, were my arguments so bad that Scientology looked good?
HMMM, or perhaps my arguments were simply applied to RC'ism better than scientology?
I need closure on this issue dammit!!!!!
Whatever makes you happy.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Faust » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:58 am
lol, were my arguments so bad that Scientology looked good?
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Wonderer » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:00 am
just give it to me straight please...
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Wonderer » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:08 am
you are all suppressive persons for enturbulating my state of clear!
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Wonderer » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:19 am
No...
I seriously don't understand how i was the determining factor in the Scientology debate. If i chose to defend Scientology would RC'ism have been selected?
do i just defend whichever religion i want to lose?
o.k, so i was a bit high and there were a few grammatical mistakes, but i don't think i almost converted oughtist on the spot, i think oughtist simply wanted a good debate and wanted to rebuke my post.
i call shenanigans! ....
We'll see who laughs last. Scientology will perish under the cruel might of the True Rasta way
(am i off to a good start? GRADE ME!!!!!
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I seriously don't understand how i was the determining factor in the Scientology debate. If i chose to defend Scientology would RC'ism have been selected?
do i just defend whichever religion i want to lose?
o.k, so i was a bit high and there were a few grammatical mistakes, but i don't think i almost converted oughtist on the spot, i think oughtist simply wanted a good debate and wanted to rebuke my post.
i call shenanigans! ....
We'll see who laughs last. Scientology will perish under the cruel might of the True Rasta way
(am i off to a good start? GRADE ME!!!!!
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by PavlovianModel146 » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:59 am
A-
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:20 am
You don't exactly have to make a post FOR a religion for your post to be leading factor into why a judge voted for the religion.
Sometimes, it's the opposing argument that ends up pushing it toward the vote against that opposing argument.
Oh...and Rasta lost, in case you hadn't checked on that yet.
On an unrelated note:
I'll get the tournament board updated tonight with the changes, and all of that.
We're getting close to some more exciting anticipation...we're on our last bit for Round 1; woohoo!
Sometimes, it's the opposing argument that ends up pushing it toward the vote against that opposing argument.
Oh...and Rasta lost, in case you hadn't checked on that yet.
On an unrelated note:
I'll get the tournament board updated tonight with the changes, and all of that.
We're getting close to some more exciting anticipation...we're on our last bit for Round 1; woohoo!
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>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Wonderer » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:05 pm
next time i'll be sure to go a bit further in depth. Scientology doesn't even classify itself as a religion (it might have changed that notion in the last 6 months, i'm not sure).
My lawyers will be in touch.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:46 am
Update: We're going to post the results of the Judging for the last matches once we have a final ruling.
After that, we're going to take a break on opening any matches until 10:30pm GMT Monday.
Then we'll open ROUND 2!
After that, we're going to take a break on opening any matches until 10:30pm GMT Monday.
Then we'll open ROUND 2!
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Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by PavlovianModel146 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:24 am
I did have one suggestion that I want to make really quick:
I suggest that the Debates in both Round 3 and Round 4 do not conclude for one full week, regardless of post count.
You know how the ALDS/NLDS in baseball is a three-game series and the rest of them are seven, something like that.
I suggest that the Debates in both Round 3 and Round 4 do not conclude for one full week, regardless of post count.
You know how the ALDS/NLDS in baseball is a three-game series and the rest of them are seven, something like that.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by PavlovianModel146 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:27 am
One other thing I'd like to bring up if I could:
I believe that the Judges should not give any explanation whatsoever as to their choices until the end of all of the Debates. The reason for this is because all of the winning Religions will have to be Debated again at some point in the future and this provides the posters with examples of arguments that worked with the Judges and might lend an unfair advantage when such Religions are paired up against Religions that the Judges did not elaborate on to such an extent.
I am guilty of doing the above thing and I apologize, but I just thought of it.
In any case, at the end of all Debates, I will be perfectly happy to discuss why I voted a certain way in any particular Debate. In addition to that, I would also say that it is probably not harmful to discuss why a particular Religion may have lost provided it give no clues as to how the other Religion won.
I believe that the Judges should not give any explanation whatsoever as to their choices until the end of all of the Debates. The reason for this is because all of the winning Religions will have to be Debated again at some point in the future and this provides the posters with examples of arguments that worked with the Judges and might lend an unfair advantage when such Religions are paired up against Religions that the Judges did not elaborate on to such an extent.
I am guilty of doing the above thing and I apologize, but I just thought of it.
In any case, at the end of all Debates, I will be perfectly happy to discuss why I voted a certain way in any particular Debate. In addition to that, I would also say that it is probably not harmful to discuss why a particular Religion may have lost provided it give no clues as to how the other Religion won.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:36 am
We'll talk some more about week 3 and 4 in the judging room, but I think that has some merit, sure.
I can see your point on the revealing why bit until it's all over with.
Good point.
OK.
JUDGES WILL NOT ANNOUNCE REASONS WHY A WINNER WON, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, UNTIL THE END OF THE RELIGIOUS OPEN.
I can see your point on the revealing why bit until it's all over with.
Good point.
OK.
JUDGES WILL NOT ANNOUNCE REASONS WHY A WINNER WON, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, UNTIL THE END OF THE RELIGIOUS OPEN.
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Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Oughtist » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:49 pm
YESSSS!!!!! My concession was heeded!!!!! Sikhism is safe to be praised!!!!! Just as I planned... mmooo ha ha ha.... 
...ummm, should I be presenting this sort of acute observation in the "Spectator" section?
...ummm, should I be presenting this sort of acute observation in the "Spectator" section?
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Jayson » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:17 pm
Alrighty....
The Tournament board has been updated to the current standings.
You can see who is going to pair off with who at the
Schedule : Tournament Standings : Tournament Clock
Or, you can view it in a separate window or tab by clicking this link here:
download/file.php?id=267
And we'll kick off the first ones on Monday.
The Tournament board has been updated to the current standings.
You can see who is going to pair off with who at the
Schedule : Tournament Standings : Tournament Clock
Or, you can view it in a separate window or tab by clicking this link here:
download/file.php?id=267
And we'll kick off the first ones on Monday.
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>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
>Hebrew, Greek, and more similar resources on ILP
Spiritual: a set of neurological processes dealing with value placement, empathy, and sympathy through the associative truncation of relative identity, and which has reached a value set capable of being described as reverent to the individual, and from which existential experience and reflection is capable explicitly.
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Re: ILP Religious Open
by Ierrellus » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:44 pm
If religion dissects natural from supernatural, this experienced world from idealized or utopian worlds, it can have no "universal" relevance and can only add to the us vs them contentions over who has the real truth. A religion based on ecology and economy of natural experiences in a natural world is an ideal yet to be offered.
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