Banning People

[fuse]

I understand your point, fuse, but I'm not sure that anyone here really needs to know that another poster thinks they should go fuck themselves. That's usually the kind of thing that gets people banned.

Of course it's all about context and history to determine what warrants banning. If you told someone that "they should go fuck themselves," I don't think it would cross anyone's mind to ban you. More likely, people would see it as a momentary lapse of judgment rather than a permanent part of your personality. Because of your history. So while I agree no one really needs to know that another poster thinks they should go fuck themselves, any official rule against saying things like that can never be enforced consistently. I'm not sure there's a formula to be written out for what it takes to be banned. "Anything that inhibits the community will prevent us from our purposes." works because it's a broad statement. Beyond that, the details are always debatable. Ultimately it's up to those in charge to make wise decisions. I don't envy the job.

[Anthem]

To want someone banned just because they disagree with you kinda lacks maturity, but if that person retaliates with profanities then more fool them...

That's not why I want some people banned.

For example, I don't agree with magnetman (to put it politely), but there's no reason to ban him. I'd actually like to ban him for his poor posting etiquette, but there's not much you can do about that I suppose.

What I'd really like to be able to flame him without fear of getting banned myself. It seemed to be okay when Satyr did it because that's just who he was and he was good at it. Plus, people seemed to be a bit afraid of him. Odd.

When you can prove that someone is wrong and they refuse to accept it in the natural sciences forum I think a good flaming is in order...you're not entitled to an opinion on how physics or math works. You're entitled to work out the problem and be wrong and accept that, and it should be up to a scientifically minded mod to determine when someone is out of line (both the flamer and the pseudoscientist).

How about that for a compromise? Righteous flaming instead of more bannings?

[MagsJ]

Members get banned when they incur three warnings or continue to use derogatory language.. anything else is left to be solved on the ILP battlefield!

[Anthem]

Does that mean I can flame? I really don't see 'moron' as derogatory for example...it might be 'ad hominem', but that doesn't always make it a fallacy.

[MagsJ]

Does that mean I can flame? I really don't see 'moron' as derogatory for example...it might be 'ad hominem', but that doesn't always make it a fallacy.

I have explained the procedure for banning, so there is nothing further to say on this matter.

[Anthem]

There's lots to be said.

For example, what warrants a warning?

[MagsJ]

There's lots to be said.

For example, what warrants a warning?

ILP Forum Philosophy

There is also a link to the original forum philosophy within that link - hope that helps.

[Anthem]

Not really.

[Smears]

Sometimes you have to flatter your enemies to get them to see your point of view.

[MagsJ]

Not really.

Well it will have to suffice...

Sometimes you have to flatter your enemies to get them to see your point of view.

Appeal to their vanity, you mean - a tactic many successful dictators have used throughout history, no less.

[Smears]

I know the Nietzsche/Machiavelli fans out there are aware of this concept, yet I rarely see them employ it to their advantage.

[Anthem]

Oh, I'm aware of the tactic.

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Sidhe - Despite our disagreement in the other thread I don't think you're an idiot. No one that likes Hedonism-Bot can be all that bad.

Didn't work.

[MagsJ]

He obviously weren't up for being flattered then

What's a guy to do under that circumstance, huh

[Anthem]

I generally just 'retire' from threads at that point unless they're my own, in which case I just keep restating the obvious.

[MagsJ]

Nice to know that you have learned coping mechanisms and tactics, rather than resort to ad homs/calling your aggressor a moron - now if only Sidhe had done that too, hmmmm...

[Smears]

I just think that you know, if you wanna watch idiots fight, you can do that anywhere.

ILP offers a forum to intelligent people to fight, (although sometimes like idiots), a good place nonetheless.

I mean, you guys are fighting over shit that most people could never even grasp. Think abouuuuuutttt ittttt.......

[Tab]

A pity really, I like Sidhe, he has a sense of humour. And to be fair, Anthem, whoever started it, you didn't exactly remove any inflammable materials from this particular bonfire of the vanities did you..?

I mean, you guys are fighting over shit that most people could never even grasp. Think abouuuuuutttt ittttt.......

Yes, though usually that also includes the people fighting over them.

[MagsJ]

Sidhe was a good contributor to the forum - I'll miss his input greatly too.

...and yes, there really was no innocent party in this little drama.

[Anthem]

No, I didn't remove any flammables, but why should I have? He came into my thread and started arguing for someone else and he was wrong. This wasn't one of those philosophical exercises and relativism doesn't work in physics.

He got hung up on just wanting to argue and he's still doing it...he keeps sending me PMs under troll accounts. The guy is a moron, and I'm happy to have exposed how immature he is.

[MagsJ]

Think of it is a learning curve, Anthem

If he's wrong, then show him where exactly his error lies, but personally, I think he should have just been confined to rant rather than got an out-right ban...

[Anthem]

Whatever. He keeps pestering me and with ghost accounts now. He needs to be IP banned.

[MagsJ]

Whatever. He keeps pestering me and with ghost accounts now. He needs to be IP banned.

Anthem, new IPs can obviously be acquired as he was banned by IP address - I think he... likes you

Worse things happen in life than being harrassed on a philosophy forum by a smart-arse - I'm sure you will look back on this as a happy point in your life!

[Anthem]

Oh you're kidding. So this guy is changing his IP address or using a proxy?

Guess I'll just have to ignore him.

[MagsJ]

Oh you're kidding. So this guy is changing his IP address or using a proxy?

Indeed... he must be...

Guess I'll just have to ignore him.

Do what is best for you, but think of it as a learning curve, coz life will throw many of them your way and they don't have to be viewed as bad things you know...

[Anthem]

I see morons as a very bad thing.