anon wrote:
Spiraling onward -
A hare, rabbit, lots of them...
I think I got it!
I think I got it!
Ask, believe, and then to thank!
That’s all we need know!
I love this - it makes me soar!
Haiku Tag
Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:13 pm
I think I got it!
Ask, believe, and then to thank!
That’s all we need know!
I love this - it makes me soar!
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Oughtist » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:25 pm
That's all we need know:
questionable answers for
understood beliefs
(ya, this game can be "highly" addictive
)
questionable answers for
understood beliefs
(ya, this game can be "highly" addictive
)If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:45 pm
Oughtist wrote:That's all we need know:
questionable answers for
understood beliefs
Understood beliefs -
An oxymoron, no doubt!
Really, don't you think?
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"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Oughtist » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:59 pm
Really, don't you think
one knows each thought as it leaves
behind the moment?
(sorry, quick impression, can't vouch for epistemic consistency
)
one knows each thought as it leaves
behind the moment?
(sorry, quick impression, can't vouch for epistemic consistency
)If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:08 pm
Oughtist wrote:(sorry, quick impression, can't vouch for epistemic consistency
Haha, me neither.
Oughtist wrote:Really, don't you think
one knows each thought as it leaves
behind the moment?
Behind the moment.
Is there such a place? Hidden
There - another here.
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:17 pm
anon wrote:Behind the moment.
Is there such a place? Hidden
There - another here.
There – another here.
Question being – what is it?
Tis part of Suchness.
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by krossie » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:22 pm
Tis part of Suchness.
Of thisness and thatness and
general flatness!
Of thisness and thatness and
general flatness!
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:28 pm
krossie wrote:Tis part of Suchness.
Of thisness and thatness and
general flatness!
General flatness!
You mock Columbus in this!
Perceive it – wisely!
I know you're enjoying this thread!
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:33 pm
arcturus rising wrote:General flatness!
You mock Columbus in this!
Perceive it – wisely!
Perceive it - wisely!
Bigger and bigger it gets.
This calls for action.
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:43 pm
anon wrote:
Perceive it - wisely!
Bigger and bigger it gets.
This calls for action.
This calls for action.
Ah, but then perchance – wu wei?
The leaf or the tree?
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Oughtist » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:50 pm
The leaf or the tree
the forest or the species
groupings ex-act thought
the forest or the species
groupings ex-act thought
If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:56 pm
Oughtist wrote:The leaf or the tree
the forest or the species
groupings ex-act thought
Groupings ex-act thought.
X-Acto taxonomy.
Fingertips redden.
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:21 pm
anon wrote:
Groupings ex-act thought.
X-Acto taxonomy.
Fingertips redden.
Fingertips redden.
Pomegranates – Eve’s delight!
Eden’s Ruby seeds!
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:34 pm
arcturus rising wrote:Fingertips redden.
Pomegranates – Eve’s delight!
Eden’s Ruby seeds!
Eden's Ruby seeds
Like earrings sparkling so bright,
Tempt intelligence
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:04 pm
anon wrote:
Eden's Ruby seeds
Like earrings sparkling so bright,
Tempt intelligence
Tempt intelligence.
Reflect the ocean’s vastness
Mirror what is real!
....
Those pomegranate seeds are
brilliantly beautiful -ruby-like in the light.
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:24 pm
arcturus rising wrote:Tempt intelligence.
Reflect the ocean’s vastness
Mirror what is real!
Mirror what is real!
As if reality weren't
Itself a mirror.
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Oughtist » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:34 pm
Itself a mirror,
the silver surface cannot
reflect on itself (?)
the silver surface cannot
reflect on itself (?)
If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:50 pm
Oughtist wrote:Itself a mirror,
the silver surface cannot
reflect on itself (?)
Reflect on itself.
Lost in translation, Other
Deflections occur.
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:55 pm
Anon wrote:
Mirror what is real!
As if reality weren't
Itself a mirror.
Itself a mirror.
Once more for me to ponder!
Trees – ah, hidden Self!!
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by anon » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:07 pm
arcturus rising wrote:Itself a mirror.
Once more for me to ponder!
Trees – ah, hidden Self!!
"Trees - ah, hidden Self!!"
Myself a tree? Tree a self?
Chainsaw of prajna.
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"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
"Distraction is the only thing that consoles us for our miseries, and yet it is itself the greatest of our miseries." - Blaise Pascal
"Every classification throws light on something." - Isaiah Berlin
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:24 pm
Anon wrote:
"Trees - ah, hidden Self!!"
Myself a tree? Tree a self?
Chainsaw of prajna.
Chainsaw of Prahna.
Cutting chords in refuge Mounts...
Let peace descend again!
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Che » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:39 pm
Let peace descend again -
one syllable too many -
on your speech, depends.
one syllable too many -
on your speech, depends.
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:00 pm
Che wrote:
Let peace descend again -
one syllable too many -
on your speech, depends.
On your speech, depends.
Life may dangle by a thread!
Take care… sharpened sword!!!!
To rectify...
Let peace descend Now.
~ Carlos Ruiz Zafon
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
“One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. By the time the mind is able to comprehend what has happened, the wounds of the heart are already too deep.”
“But in good time you'll see that sometimes what matters isn't what one gives but what one gives up.”
A room without books ..is like a body without a soul.”
“I couldn't help thinking that if I, by pure chance, had found a whole universe in a single unknown book, buried in that endless necropolis, tens of thousands more would remain unexplored, forgotten forever. I felt myself surrounded by millions of abandoned pages, by worlds and souls without an owner sinking in an ocean of darkness, while the world that throbbed outside the library seemed to be losing its memory, day after day, unknowingly, feeling all the wiser the more it forgot.”
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Oughtist » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:19 pm
... I call splivage on arc ((derailed a couple up, but anon was too nice a buddhist to call her out 
(though he did anticipate it with "deflections occur" 
) )))("splivage", from ]"zoom, shwartz, profigliano," in case that wasn't clear)
But I'll forego my typically fascist tendencies and let it go this time.
On your speech depends
the broken tongue spoken in
starts shallowly heard
If the sin can be despised and not the sinner, can the belief be ridiculed and not the believer?
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Re: Haiku Tag
by Oughtist » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:13 pm
crap, I call splivage on myself.Try that again:
Take care... sharpened sword
razing tongue blunt as a thumb:
pollice verso!
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