Authenticity/Individuality - VOTE FOR GOD'S SAKE, VOTE !!!

Unashamed BUMP

Ich bin ein bump.

Je suis un boompe.

Hmmm, On the one hand, I can buy into the argument that it is impossible to know if or when authenticity is possible. Moreover I intuitively accept the concept of a continuum in which authenticity may or may not be present at any given time. I was a little put off by the argument that every action is authentic. That smacked of an attempt to lock up the conclusion in the definition… Fuse and Debaitor made some good points, but didn’t follow up very well. On the other hand, Tab made his points as well - including submarining himself at the same time. Saying the the pervasive environment disallows the possibility of authenticity is the same locking up the conclusion in the definition. He did provide better backing for his arguments than did fuse And Debaitor.

My overall impression is that neither side really managed to prove and disprove, but I think it is a rather fuzzy concept to begin with. I’ll give Tab the vote and a slight edge in the debate, but only because he’s an old git and maybe has spent a little more time looking at the issue.

And a great big thank you to Tentative for the second vote of the competition.

The tally stands at 2-0 in favour of Tab.

I don’t know about you, but this frenetic pace is beginning to get to me. I can only hope that the voting slows down, so I can catch my breath. :-"

Ben bir bump’im.

Say Tab, In German all nouns get a capitol letter. And on top of that the direct object makes the (male and neutral) article change into ‘einen’. So it would be:

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In French a word ending with -e is always feminine, so the article would be ‘la’ (and ‘une’)…bosse…

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I concede that the French I learned about arrgh, ooh, 28 years ago may be somewhat lacking. And the German I co-opted from Kennedy’s ‘ich bin ein Berliner’…

Thanks for the pointers. :smiley:

The Turkish however, is without parallel. :sunglasses:

I never dared touch that one…

If you like, I could teach you the basics of Turkish in another thread…?

Although I would like to learn I should focus on more important matters…like asking Arzou to teach me Turkish for instance. She would be a much more desirable teacher.
:slight_smile:

Who Arzou…? Ah - Turkish girl’s name. Gotcha.

Should be ‘Arzu’ though I think.

I can recommend Turkish girls. I married one afterall. :laughing:

Oh and btw. Anyone else reading this - it’s still 2-0 to me, Fuse and debaitor need your votes NOW!!!

Hmmm…Arzu, huh? Thanks, I might have messed up with that one. :slight_smile:
I have to hand it to you though, the Turkish girls sure can be pretty…and temperamental I noticed.
:slight_smile:

They aren’t a patch on their families. Seriously, check on Arzu’s collection of big brothers before proceeding. Well, semi-seriously anyway. :wink:

Yeah, I heard her talking…
:-k

Knock knock.
Who’s there…?

Bump.

For God’s sake, somebody vote, please.

b U m P

i think it’s a draw - basically, Tab deftly annihilates the notion of individuality and difference as being indicative of authenticity, but then Fuse disarms him with the simple point that one needn’t be different to be authentic.

Debaitor, insofar as i’ve understood him, has boiled it down to the question of “if a painting can be authentic, then why can’t an individual?” - i don’t find this persuasive, as the standards of authenticity for a painting are (relatively) “objective” (Van Gough either painted it or not) whereas the standards of authenticity for an individual are as yet (despite numerous attempts throughout the forgoing exchange) unsatisfactorily defined and therefore remain, in the context of this debate, (relatively) “subjective”.

so i don’t think either side managed to eke out a clear win here - it was, as Objet points out, simultaneously frustrating and stimulating.

Bum-

Wha…? Holy shit, someone voted.

Thanks UPF, just for the sake of numbers, I’m gonna call your draw as 1-1.

That put’s the score at:

F&D - 1 point

Tab - 3 points.

Hey wait, in soccer if a draw is 1 point for each team, then a win means two point for the winning team. That would make it 5-1!