Humpty wrote:The Next Generation, Season 5, Episode 17
The crew help some people out of something like a dark matter cloud or something like that, idk, not a relevant detail, but it turns out that the people they helped belong to an androgynous/hermaphroditic alien race. One of the aliens has a series of conversations with Riker, an officer of the ship, about the sexual differences between their cultures. Riker finds the idea of a society without sexes to be weird and boring, the alien (apparently) finds the idea of sexes to be primitive and confusing. Later in the episode, the alien admits to having feelings for Riker, and to being born feeling more feminine than masculine. She then tells him about how her culture views that phenomenon: people born "gendered" are ridiculed and, once proven to have a gender, are forced into treatment until they are androgynous like everyone else. They come out of the treatment brainwashed into thinking that they were sick for feeling male or female, and glad that they don't feel that way any more. The alien is then found out by her superior to be that way, and she is forced into treatment and comes out, as expected, in complete shame for her previous "disability" and happy that she was "fixed."
Heterophobia as a metaphor for homophobia. God, Star Trek is so good.
Humpty wrote:star trek needs the occasional sad-ending. too many happy endings and it becomes a cliche show. last episode i watched, one of the main characters of that episode (not a normal main character) died at the end trying to prove herself.
Humpty wrote:she can be quite...aggressive though, when she has a point to get across.
in one episode, they found a borg stranded alone on a planet, disconnected from the collective. the ship decided to help him and to heal him, and then to try to make him an individual. Guinan disapproved because of how ruthless the borg were, and also obviously because they destroyed/assimilated like 95% of her own race, so in order to make her case, she did something quite clever. She was practicing fencing with captain picard, and she pretended to be injured, and when he was like "are you alright," she jumped up and smacked him with her sword and said, "You felt sorry for me, see where that got you?"
Are you referring to Tasha Yar? If I remember correctly, she was part of an 'away' team and she sacrificed her life and ended up in that deep black sucky pond that pulled her down. I remember being so moved by her courage. But you may not be referring to her.Humpty wrote:star trek needs the occasional sad-ending. too many happy endings and it becomes a cliche show. last episode i watched, one of the main characters of that episode (not a normal main character) died at the end trying to prove herself.
Humpty wrote:no, i'm not talking about her. i never liked her. rather, i never liked the actress who played her.
anyway, she didn't deliberately sacrifice her life. she basically died for nothing.
jonquil wrote:Humpty wrote:no, i'm not talking about her. i never liked her. rather, i never liked the actress who played her.
anyway, she didn't deliberately sacrifice her life. she basically died for nothing.
Thank you. I also found Tasha Yar very unappealing and offputting. The actress is a Crosby though, so probably was good for ratings.
anyway, she didn't deliberately sacrifice her life. she basically died for nothing.
jonquil wrote:Humpty wrote:she can be quite...aggressive though, when she has a point to get across.
in one episode, they found a borg stranded alone on a planet, disconnected from the collective. the ship decided to help him and to heal him, and then to try to make him an individual. Guinan disapproved because of how ruthless the borg were, and also obviously because they destroyed/assimilated like 95% of her own race, so in order to make her case, she did something quite clever. She was practicing fencing with captain picard, and she pretended to be injured, and when he was like "are you alright," she jumped up and smacked him with her sword and said, "You felt sorry for me, see where that got you?"
Good catch, Humpty. I don't think I saw that episode. Even counselors should show some sign of spunk now and then.
arcturus rising wrote:Insofar as Guinan was a bartendress, though she was far more than that, you can say that she was a counselor, though she wasn't actually the counselor...that was Deanna Troi. DT and Data were actually my favorite characters.
Yes, I totally agree with you in that, especially if that bartender, or whoever, actually cares about people, and it isn't about getting tips, and that caring comes through. Of course, the timing may not be too conducive to sharing; but, at the same time, the bartender person may come back and forth to listen. Sometimes all it really takes is a bent loving ear. That, coupled with the person hearing their self and what they are saying, can so easily change the dynamics that are flowing within. Almost like when we've written down what we are feeling and what comes from our stream of consciousness and then we proceed to read it back, especially out loud. Little dancing epiphanies begin dancing in our brains.jonquil wrote:arcturus rising wrote:Insofar as Guinan was a bartendress, though she was far more than that, you can say that she was a counselor, though she wasn't actually the counselor...that was Deanna Troi. DT and Data were actually my favorite characters.
The best counselors are the ones like Guinan, who smile and listen. A good counselor can be anybody then, including a bartender.
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