Osama bin Laden is Dead.

For discussions of culture, politics, economics, sociology, law, business and any other topic that falls under the social science remit.

Moderator: Uccisore

Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby fuse » Mon May 02, 2011 6:15 am



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world ... ed.html?hp

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1

Unfortunately, it doesn't mean the troops will be coming home or that we will go back to requiring Congressional approval to declare war. America must continue to protect her interests abroad...like oil and friendly dictators. We were always going to retaliate and get Osama, but the U.S. government also used 9/11 as an excuse for pushing even more American weight around the world. For a country that praises democracy and freedom as the end-all be-all, the way we use force around the world certainly isn't encouraging for the cause.
Last edited by fuse on Mon May 02, 2011 8:35 am, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
fuse
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3960
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:13 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby fuse » Mon May 02, 2011 6:47 am

At least the media will shut up about the Birthers now...

Image
User avatar
fuse
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3960
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:13 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby fuse » Mon May 02, 2011 8:36 am

Image
User avatar
fuse
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3960
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:13 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Liteninbolt » Mon May 02, 2011 2:09 pm

Though this was the main head of the Hydra of Evil that has been removed, the other's of that body will still lash out. If there had been stronger assistance from the leaders of the countries Bin Laden was hiding out in while the search for him carried on, resources used to find him would have been considerably less.
Liteninbolt
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3312
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:15 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Trevor » Mon May 02, 2011 2:53 pm

I wouldn't be wholly surprised if this story yet turns out to be false. And, Janus-faced Pakistan surely has some answering to do, how was ObL able to "hide-out" in a multi-million pound apartment right outside the country's capital? Odd to say the least.

It's now a question of what happens to ObL's wealth, as he was primarily the financier of Al Qaeda.
Trevor
 

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby jonquil » Mon May 02, 2011 3:17 pm

As for the birthers, now they might become deathers and demand a long form death certificate. :wink:
User avatar
jonquil
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3488
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:57 am
Location: Greenest city in the world!

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Mon May 02, 2011 4:54 pm

Or is he?
User avatar
WW_III_ANGRY
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2516
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:52 am
Location: Suburb of Chicago

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Blurry » Mon May 02, 2011 5:04 pm

trevor wrote:I wouldn't be wholly surprised if this story yet turns out to be false. And, Janus-faced Pakistan surely has some answering to do, how was ObL able to "hide-out" in a multi-million pound apartment right outside the country's capital? Odd to say the least.

It's now a question of what happens to ObL's wealth, as he was primarily the financier of Al Qaeda.



I'm sure it would be in our best interests to seize his wealth, but I'd bet he's made that pretty impossible or it probably would've been done already somehow.
"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent. And don't bother concealing your thievery - celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: 'It's not where you take things from - it's where you take them to.'" - Jim Jarmusch
User avatar
Blurry
fuck
 
Posts: 4319
Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:18 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby fuse » Mon May 02, 2011 9:34 pm

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:Or is he?

trevor wrote:I wouldn't be wholly surprised if this story yet turns out to be false. And, Janus-faced Pakistan surely has some answering to do, how was ObL able to "hide-out" in a multi-million pound apartment right outside the country's capital? Odd to say the least.


yeah, that's also a possibility. For some reason though, I doubt they're making it up. They say they have the body -- not that they're going to put Osama's dead body on television -- but at least some people will be able to see and verify it.

As for Pakistan's complicity in hiding/aiding bin Laden...yeah I do think it's suspicious...I'm sure he had connections, but do you think the Pakistani government at-large was friendly toward him?

Another perspective on Pakistan:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Mute-gove ... 92586.aspx
User avatar
fuse
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3960
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:13 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Archangel » Tue May 03, 2011 2:11 am

They made him a martyr. Nice work! And now - round 2...
The meek shall inherit the earth, because the strong shall inherit the stars!
User avatar
Archangel
 
Posts: 152
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:27 am
Location: Between the Hammer and the Envil

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby iambiguous » Tue May 03, 2011 2:30 am

The terrorism inflicted on the world [and in particular Iraq and Afghanistan] by American foreign policy [which protects the interests of those who own and operate the global economy] makes anything Al Qaeda inflicted pale by comparison.

The military industrial complex is the true font of 9/11. It's not for nothing that the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were chosen as targets.

Osama bin Laden is dead. That is a good thing. He personified the mindlessness of God as the end justifying any means. But we live in the Bilderberg world. And until that world is dismantled there will be many, many more bin Ladens to follow.
Actually, it was only part of myself I wanted to kill: the part that wanted to kill herself, that dragged me into the suicide debate and made every window, kitchen implement, and subway station a rehearsal for tragedy.

Susanna Kaysen


Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
User avatar
iambiguous
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 10025
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm
Location: baltimore maryland

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby xzc » Tue May 03, 2011 3:15 am

Carcasse, tu trembles?
Tu tremblerais bien davantage, si
tu savais, ou je te mene.
User avatar
xzc
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3911
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:52 am
Location: Pale Blue Dot

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Humpty » Tue May 03, 2011 3:21 am

ok so how about now the government gives us our freedoms back (via repealing Patriot Act, among other things) and brings the troops home?

NOT, you guys thought this would make a difference BUAHAHAHA.

Also, Osama more than likely died in 2001.
User avatar
Humpty
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1982
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby James S Saint » Tue May 03, 2011 4:16 am

You guys are SUCH unbelievable suckers... :roll: [-(

They dropped his body in the Ocean?!?!?!?? ....geeezzz
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
James S Saint
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 17889
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:05 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Humpty » Tue May 03, 2011 4:19 am

when Che Guevera was killed, they flaunted that mother fucker's body around for EVERYONE to see. Not really sensible to keep evidence of this guy's death a secret...unless there isn't any evidence.
User avatar
Humpty
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1982
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Archangel » Tue May 03, 2011 9:34 am

If there were no more sin, what would be the purpose of priests? If there were no more disease, what would be the purpose of doctors? If there were no more enemies, what would be the purpose of army? People need to be afraid of something - in such a way that they need saviours and champions all the time... Can there be better form of control? The US goverment knew that killing Osama won't change the overall picture, and that it will probably make things worse - which will result in more terrorist attacks - which leads to stricter laws and greater invasion of privacy, loss of more civil rights, semi-military state and The Patriot Act 2.0... Over 99% possible...
The meek shall inherit the earth, because the strong shall inherit the stars!
User avatar
Archangel
 
Posts: 152
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:27 am
Location: Between the Hammer and the Envil

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Trevor » Tue May 03, 2011 9:39 am

fuse wrote:As for Pakistan's complicity in hiding/aiding bin Laden...yeah I do think it's suspicious...I'm sure he had connections, but do you think the Pakistani government at-large was friendly toward him?


Fo' shizzle. I've read that the US conducted this operation without informing the Pakistan government, quite a brazen move but they (US) obviously don't trust them (Pakistan).

@XZC: :lol: 8)
Trevor
 

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Humpty » Tue May 03, 2011 11:07 pm

so, let's assume it's all true for a second anyway: it just came out that he was UNARMED when he was shot (if he was shot). they shot this mother fucker in cold blood. no trial for his crimes?

there's not too many reasons to shoot an unarmed man. maybe he had information they didn't want to leak? i don't know, i can't really think of any other good reasons to shoot an unarmed man. it's a bit suspicious if you ask me. when they caught Charles Manson, they didn't just shoot him. they gave him a trial. they didn't just shoot the guy who allegedly killed JFK, they caught him, arrested him (and then somebody else shot him lol). they didn't shoot Saddam when he was caught. why the change of procedure? what's goin on here?
User avatar
Humpty
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1982
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Humpty » Tue May 03, 2011 11:15 pm

fuck, if they had caught hitler before he committed suicide, i'm sure they would have tried him
User avatar
Humpty
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1982
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Tue May 03, 2011 11:27 pm

Humpty wrote:so, let's assume it's all true for a second anyway: it just came out that he was UNARMED when he was shot (if he was shot). they shot this mother fucker in cold blood. no trial for his crimes?

there's not too many reasons to shoot an unarmed man. maybe he had information they didn't want to leak? i don't know, i can't really think of any other good reasons to shoot an unarmed man. it's a bit suspicious if you ask me. when they caught Charles Manson, they didn't just shoot him. they gave him a trial. they didn't just shoot the guy who allegedly killed JFK, they caught him, arrested him (and then somebody else shot him lol). they didn't shoot Saddam when he was caught. why the change of procedure? what's goin on here?


After 9/11 does the blood really get cold here?
User avatar
WW_III_ANGRY
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2516
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:52 am
Location: Suburb of Chicago

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby fuse » Tue May 03, 2011 11:52 pm

I hear you, Humpty. Now, if they U.S. government is making this elaborate story up, why wouldn't they have said bin Laden was armed and on the offensive? That would have been a less questionable scenario. ALSO, they reported that bin Laden's wife, who stood in between him and the Seals, moved toward them in a potentially threatening manner (whatever that means).

I would have no problem believing the whole thing except for this: why did we conduct a "muslim burial" for him and drop him at sea? That makes no sense.
User avatar
fuse
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3960
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:13 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Liteninbolt » Wed May 04, 2011 1:01 am

If OBL would have given himself up, he might have gotten a trial. :)

I mean before he was approached by the Navy Seals. :)
Liteninbolt
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3312
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:15 pm

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Humpty » Wed May 04, 2011 1:30 am

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:After 9/11 does the blood really get cold here?

i was expecting a response like this.

that's why i provided examples of people who have committed heinous crimes and were arrested and tried.
User avatar
Humpty
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1982
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 am

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Wed May 04, 2011 1:43 am

Humpty wrote:
WW_III_ANGRY wrote:After 9/11 does the blood really get cold here?

i was expecting a response like this.

that's why i provided examples of people who have committed heinous crimes and were arrested and tried.


So we must follow precedence because we must follow precedence? Or... what is the reasoning?
User avatar
WW_III_ANGRY
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2516
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:52 am
Location: Suburb of Chicago

Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead.

Postby Humpty » Wed May 04, 2011 2:11 am

well, the fact is that with the state, there is no reasoning...or if there is, the reason's gotta be kept secret.
User avatar
Humpty
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1982
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:53 am

Next

Return to Society, Government, and Economics



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot]