Undoubtedly, but that’s not the point. The point is the trial, the rule of law, being able to represent your case, etc. etc. y’know, fundamental pillars of the society that’s being fought for.
Who said that’s what is being fought for? I think you need to go read iambiguous’s post up there.
Just because your average moron believes that’s what we’re fighting for doesn’t make it so, and I think most people who have put any thought into it would agree that it’s pretty obvious we’re not in these wars to spread democracy.
Okay, you got me. I was using you and your argument as the strawman to proffer my own.
It’s an issue that, in my view, must be brought up because the issue you [and the OP] brought up is really just a footnote in the whole sordid affair. In my own opinion, of course.
No, I brought it up. James Saint kept hinting at it but never really brought “the larger context” to anyone’s attention. That’s what I did.
And, of course, if we had captured bin Laden and put him on trial he’d have a chance to go into great detail about his own rendition of what truly motivates American foreign policy. Why do you suppose “military commissions” are being used on the others instead?
The last thing the American ruling class [and I don’t mean that in a Marxist sense] wants is the “war on terror” to be talked about in depth.
Do you really have to ask? I say what I think and I’ve got people throwing arguments at me that don’t have anything to do with what I said, because they’re based on either misinterpretations or somebody just pulling something out of their ass and pretending I said it.
Okay, but most of what we say eventually has to be put in a larger and larger context. And surely that is the case regarding the killing of bin Laden. There is a context even larger than my own: What is it about human nature that makes these things not only possible but prevalent throughout our history?
Anyway, to me you seem to be more pissed off at others for not agreeing with you [or not agreeing with how you believe the argument should be framed] than you do with the argument itself.
I do that sometimes myself. But then I’m a polemist. It’s all calculated.
I really don’t give a shit if others agree with me or not. I did not come into this thread to discuss a personal opinion. It’s not about whether I agree or disagree. I’m just talking about something that happened, and leaving out how I feel about it. Still didn’t get that? How many more times should I say it? 100? 1,000? What will it take?
And I don’t give a shit about how the argument is “framed”, whatever the fuck that means. I have no issue with the points you brought up other than how you misinterpreted what I said and then related your points to that misinterpretation.
I’ll agree that it’s interesting. It’s interesting to hear what they’ll come up with next. It’s also sickening, frustrating, and sometimes soul-crushing (for me, at least).
The people who make the news, of course. It filters down from somewhere. People in political circles, I’d wager.
It’s soul-crushing to me because the nonsense is like toxic waste spreading around the entire world. Whenever I think too much or too deeply on the state of the world, whenever I consider all the proven and unproven lies our own government feeds us, whenever I ponder how many people out there are completely oblivious to anything but their own little bubble, I feel…I dunno. It’s difficult to explain. I feel like I’m going to explode, like I need to get away, like I wish the whole world would just blow up and everyone would die, I start to wonder if I shouldn’t just fucking kill myself because that’s the only way to get away from it. I feel as if my very soul is being crushed by the weight of the world.
You’re already on a temporary ban, and I only compound a pre-existing ban for very good reason, so please know that further posts of this nature will result in a Warning.
You do realize that A, I haven’t posted in this thread in over a week, and B, I do see all of the mods coming at me at once - just after I talked some shit to one of you. The comments on this thread were made days ago, and yet nothing was said to me about any of this until after I started giving her shit. That’s not a coincidence.