Trolling

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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:28 pm

Trolls be trollin!

Actually, it is that simple. The accusation of "troll" is a mechanism used to paint somebody as "not serious".


I already covered this, repeated myself, several times. I can say it a few more if people like.

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Re: Trolling

Postby anon » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:50 pm

Debaitor, that can be true, but the fact is, calling someone a "troll" is also a way of calling attention to a source of <noise pollution>.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Smears » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:45 pm

Adam you should be taking some kind of meds dude.
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Re: Trolling

Postby MagsJ » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:28 pm

There is a fine line between being a troll and being a smart-ass - those who don't like smart-asses call them trolls :wink:
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Re: Trolling

Postby Critique » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:52 pm

Noise pollution is baiting in a way.
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Re: Trolling

Postby anon » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:59 pm

Critique wrote:Noise pollution is baiting in a way.

Noise just gets in the way of efficient communication. But it may have its purposes, i.e. Kierkegaard's "indirect communication" might be considered noise by some.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:33 pm

anon wrote:Debaitor, that can be true, but the fact is, calling someone a "troll" is also a way of calling attention to a source of <noise pollution>.

Agreed.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:35 pm

Smears wrote:Adam you should be taking some kind of meds dude.

Noise pollution?


Adam?? What meds, you mean sedatives perhaps? Somebody needs to put me to sleep, permanently.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:17 pm

Debaitor wrote:Trolls be trollin!

Actually, it is that simple. The accusation of "troll" is a mechanism used to paint somebody as "not serious".


I already covered this, repeated myself, several times. I can say it a few more if people like.

The accusation of "troll" is a mechanism used to paint somebody as "not serious".
<ad nauseum.>



Got it yet?


No the accusation of being a troll is something that is sometimes used by people to paint someone as an asshole, and rightly so SOMETIMES. Sometimes it's used by trolls to troll people. Like most human behaviour it can't be summed up with some trite and repetitive absolute. There is no clear cut recipe for trolling, and I've even seen mods do it when they get fed up of some idiot. Anyone can be a troll, what distinguishes us from them is perhaps that whatever our age we have got over the need to draw attention to ourselves in such a base way, and can take a step back. Non trolls don't usually make a habit of being an asshole for the sake of attention or boredom or whatever.

Adam you should be taking some kind of meds dude.


Meds are good. :D

I'm on meds, so I have no excuse for being an ass, if indeed I was one. :P

Debaitor wrote:
Smears wrote:Adam you should be taking some kind of meds dude.

Noise pollution?


Adam?? What meds, you mean sedatives perhaps? Somebody needs to put me to sleep, permanently.


Meh not at all juswt listen to peoples opinions, they aren't trolling, well not all of them. I'm not. Or am I? How exactly would you know?
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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:24 pm

If somebody is an "asshole" then you call them asshole.

If somebody is "not serious" then you call them troll.


Trolls are not necessarily assholes. Sometimes trolls don't even realize they're trolling, as they aren't "serious" people or people who ought to be taken seriously.

The only people who are taken "seriously" in the world are people the commoners fear/dread/intimidated by.


You, and the other posters, only take me "seriously" when you fear what I say as True.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:26 pm

Debaitor wrote:If somebody is an "asshole" then you call them asshole.

If somebody is "not serious" then you call them troll.


Trolls are not necessarily assholes. Sometimes trolls don't even realize they're trolling, as they aren't "serious" people or people who ought to be taken seriously.

The only people who are taken "seriously" in the world are people the commoners fear/dread/intimidated by.


You, and the other posters, only take me "seriously" when you fear what I say as True.


Not true. I'm taking you very seriously, even if I am disagreeing. I can't abide habitual trolls, they are a waste of space to an already polluted web space.

Ask yourself how would you know if I was a troll? If I was I would be trying a hell of a great deal more to wind you up and probably succeeding. I sincerely hope I'm not trolling by accident. But meh its hard to tell! I can't see you nor you me.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:38 pm

Calrid wrote:Not true. I'm taking you very seriously, even if I am disagreeing.

It's out of fear, you'll have to trust me on this one. I'm not going to argue this point further (and not because I'd lose).


Calrid wrote:I can't abide habitual trolls, they are a waste of space to an already polluted web space.

Indeed.


Calrid wrote:Ask yourself how would you know if I was a troll?

I already covered that in this thread; we cannot know if somebody is being "serious" or not.

The best we can do is investigate the posting history of a troll and see what and how much (if any) he contributes to a website.

Trolls contribute nothing; so they are either stupid or "not serious", and have no intent to become "serious" about anything in life.

"Why so serious???"


Calrid wrote:If I was I would be trying a hell of a great deal more to wind you up and probably succeeding. I sincerely hope I'm not trolling by accident. But meh its hard to tell! I can't see you nor you me.

I've had a loser, obsessed with me even now, attempt to listen to my voice to detect where I am or am not "serious".

He failed to do so with his great ability to "discriminate". Even if you and I were in person, you wouldn't know when I am "serious" or not.

And the truth is that I am serious 95% of the time. I rarely joke around and it's usually easy to determine when I am joking.


I do not fear death as much as the commoner does, so I treat the subject (of death) with respect. Those who do not treat the fear of death respect, they are the "jokers" and "not serious" people of the world. They "laugh in the face of death", but I assure you, when it comes time for them to meet the Piper, most of them are no longer laughing but crying. That is funny, to see a dipshit who takes life lightly turn all his convictions around when death comes knocking.

It is hypocrisy and lack of foresight. The truth is, most people are stupid AND never contemplate/fear death (at least as admission).

People who say they don't fear death, are liars. People cannot ignore death but they can ignore fear. Attempting to do the prior always results in failure.


This is why "jokers" hate "serious" people like me; they think life is a joke.

While I remind them of death (deadly serious). I have a more intimate relationship with death than they do. This is why I'm smarter than them, too.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:46 pm

Debaitor wrote:
Calrid wrote:Not true. I'm taking you very seriously, even if I am disagreeing.

It's out of fear, you'll have to trust me on this one. I'm not going to argue this point further (and not because I'd lose).


Ok I'm shit scared, I disagree but then I would. I really am not that invested as to feel fear from an entity that is often a thousand miles away. If trolling scares you then for Gods sake get out of the kitchen.




Calrid wrote:Ask yourself how would you know if I was a troll?

I already covered that in this thread; we cannot know if somebody is being "serious" or not.



The best we can do is investigate the posting history of a troll and see what and how much (if any) he contributes to a website.
Trolls contribute nothing; so they are either stupid or "not serious", and have no intent to become "serious" about anything in life.


No shit Sherlock. So why worry, sooner or later on any web site the trolls will be identified. Let the system grind them down, it usually does.

"Why so serious???"


Pet peeve of mine. I take it seriously. I have a lot of negative experience with numbnut trolls. I don't fear them but I do disdain them.


Calrid wrote:If I was I would be trying a hell of a great deal more to wind you up and probably succeeding. I sincerely hope I'm not trolling by accident. But meh its hard to tell! I can't see you nor you me.

I've had a loser, obsessed with me even now, attempt to listen to my voice to detect where I am or am not "serious".

He failed to do so with his great ability to "discriminate". Even if you and I were in person, you wouldn't know when I am "serious" or not.

And the truth is that I am serious 95% of the time. I rarely joke around and it's usually easy to determine when I am joking.


I do not fear death as much as the commoner does, so I treat the subject (of death) with respect. Those who do not treat the fear of death respect, they are the "jokers" and "not serious" people of the world. They "laugh in the face of death", but I assure you, when it comes time for them to meet the Piper, most of them are no longer laughing but crying. That is funny, to see a dipshit who takes life lightly turn all his convictions around when death comes knocking.

It is hypocrisy and lack of foresight. The truth is, most people are stupid AND never contemplate/fear death (at least as admission).

People who say they don't fear death, are liars. People cannot ignore death but they can ignore fear. Attempting to do the prior always results in failure.


This is why "jokers" hate "serious" people like me; they think life is a joke.

While I remind them of death (deadly serious). I have a more intimate relationship with death than they do. This is why I'm smarter than them, too.


Few trolls are smart, the one's that are usually grow out of it.

Well life is pretty absurd but if its a joke, its lost one me. :D

Ignore the Rtard. There is an ignore feature you know in real life and on the web, it's just easier to use in real life. :P

I can't ignore fear, everyone has their fears, but trolls aren't one of them, I learnt how to deal with them a long time ago. Don't take them seriously, and just accept that some people never grow up. It's simple. They can't hurt you if you don't see them. You aren't a troll that much is clear. Beyond that you clearly care about the accusation, take that with a pinch of salt too. People are clever enough to use the ignore function with discrimination. If some dumb ass is trolling you by accusing you of being a troll, then ignore them until they get a clue.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:04 pm

Calrid wrote:Ok I'm shit scared, I disagree but then I would. I really am not that invested as to feel fear from an entity that is often a thousand miles away. If trolling scares you then for Gods sake get out of the kitchen.

You missed the point; I'm not scared of trolls.

Trolls are they themselves, scared, of "being serious".

You are too, to a degree, as you have now proven. You fear that I am "serious" in the points I make.




Calrid wrote:No shit Sherlock.

Change your tone with me, young man. Respect your elders.


Calrid wrote:So why worry, sooner or later on any web site the trolls will be identified. Let the system grind them down, it usually does.

Not well enough for my tastes, many trolls slip under the radar.

Trolls mainly come out when somebody "serious" appears, somebody serious and intelligent.

Trolling is a mechanism for the stupid, to maintain a status quo that forgives their level of stupidity and ignorance, that ties others down to their level.

If a smarter person comes along, and renders them useless, then their natural defense mechanism is to pull an intelligent person down, even at a cost to the greater community!


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"Why so serious???"

Pet peeve of mine. I take it seriously. I have a lot of negative experience with numbnut trolls. I don't fear them but I do disdain them.

Where did I say anybody should fear a troll?

Conversely, my point was/is, that trolls fear "seriousness". They need to detract an argument of its "seriousness" in order to compete.

Unfortunately, that immediately kills any "philosophical" aspect for everybody engaged.


Calrid wrote:Few trolls are smart, the one's that are usually grow out of it.

Well life is pretty absurd but if its a joke, its lost one me. :D

Ignore the Rtard. There is an ignore feature you know in real life and on the web, it's just easier to use in real life. :P

I enjoy to kill trolls, not ignore them.

I've only used an "ignore" feature perhaps 1 time in my life, when I was much younger than I am now.

Ignoring somebody is a weakness and a defeat. If you need to ignore your competition then you are defeated by them.


Calrid wrote:I can't ignore fear, everyone has their fears, but trolls aren't one of them,

Again, my point was not towards "fearing trolls" but rather trolls fear "seriousness".

They need "jokes" to maintain a certain level of existential anxiety. Past a certain bounds, they no longer can "hear" or "accept", "The Truth".


Calrid wrote:I learnt how to deal with them a long time ago. Don't take them seriously,

Why not take them seriously???

To not take them seriously puts you on their level.


Calrid wrote:and just accept that some people never grow up. It's simple. They can't hurt you if you don't see them.

Yes, they still can.

If you don't see a falling piano dropping onto your head that doesn't mean it won't hurt you.


Calrid wrote:You aren't a troll that much is clear.

It maybe clear to you, but not others.


Calrid wrote:Beyond that you clearly care about the accusation, take that with a pinch of salt too. People are clever enough to use the ignore function with discrimination. If some dumb ass is trolling you by accusing you of being a troll, then ignore them until they get a clue.

I prefer to expose trolls for who they are, uncover them, and make their tactics publicly known and recorded.

This destroys the troll; it dries him out. A troll needs his moisture, mold, and mildew to survive. He drinks these things and thrives on them.


In other words, if a person is trolling you, then point out to everybody what he is doing, and then ask the community if this is acceptable. If it is not, then force the moderators/administrators to punish him. If they do not, then by default, you SHOULD be able to practice trolling yourself. Troll a troll. Bother the shit out of him.

Get his threads locked down. Use his tactics against him. I do; it's fun to troll trolls. I like to give people tastes of their own medicine.


If the community allows trolling, then use it against those who plan to use it against you!
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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:14 pm

Before we continue can I ask how old you are. it might help, I am a veteran of the web and old enough, but I don't want to step on any toes. No shit Sherlock is just a jokey way of saying very true Holmes, I meant no insult.

I'll be going in a mo, but I promise to give your post due consideration in time.

I will say this though ultimately children who are ignored stop behaving like kids. Highlight them subtle, report them to a mod. Do not at any point engage them in a discussion, clearly they are unable to be rational.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Debaitor » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:36 pm

Calrid wrote:Before we continue can I ask how old you are. it might help, I am a veteran of the web and old enough, but I don't want to step on any toes. No shit Sherlock is just a jokey way of saying very true Holmes, I meant no insult.

I cannot give out personal information as it compromises my intellectual integrity.

Everytime I have given personal information to people throughout my career, they have attempted to use this information against me, universally!

In the philosophical domain, there is no reason (at all) to know somebody personally or subjectively.


Calrid wrote:I'll be going in a mo, but I promise to give your post due consideration in time.

I should be around, then.


Calrid wrote:I will say this though ultimately children who are ignored stop behaving like kids. Highlight them subtle, report them to a mod. Do not at any point engage them in a discussion, clearly they are unable to be rational.

Some 'trolls' are actually intelligent, but, by degree.

For the intelligent ones, you need to pinpoint them and raise them to their capacity to become rational.

But you cannot just rule out all trolls. There are a few exceptions. However, by being a troll, this indicates to me that the troll is limited in intellect while somebody who is not a troll (honest with himself and his own beliefs) may have unlimited potential. A person with unlimited potential in any arena of life, usually is taken as 'genius'.

Very few people have "unlimited" potential. An overwhelming majority of people (especially including trolls) have limited intellectual capability.
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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:43 pm

Good points I shall be back anon.

I'm 38, and have been on the web for 12 years on forums. I couldn't give a monkeys who you tell about that as I just told everyone; I have no intellectual integrity, I lost that on the web by losing some sense of naivety; everyone is never totally honest here, nature of the beast. Now a days I slumber for a time, and come back refreshed, call it hibernation, but I still like the web or I wouldn't be here. :D

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Re: Trolling

Postby Hourglass » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:05 pm

Trolling interferes with discussion when the troller in question has consciously decided to troll. Thus we can say that to suffer one is unnecessary and the troller should be ignored. The trollers tend to be members of 4chan ergo they can STAY in 4chan and leave us thinkers to our thoughts. (of course if your not from 4chan and you make an effort to troll, what on earth are you doing here)
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Re: Trolling

Postby Gaiaguerrilla » Sun May 15, 2011 1:44 am

Trolling is the act of spam reduced in the minimum way to circumvent spambots. Clever Trolling is also an attempt to circumvent Moderation.

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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Fri May 20, 2011 11:16 am

Gaiaguerrilla wrote:Trolling is the act of spam reduced in the minimum way to circumvent spambots. Clever Trolling is also an attempt to circumvent Moderation.

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It's called sophisticated trolling and they do it by getting pally with the mods so that when they do troll they are more likely to turn a blind eye and even turn on the person being trolled. I've seen it happen first hand.

These people are scum there is nothing they wont do to indulge their needy little attention starved lives.

RnR and 4chan are where they hang out, plotting more trolling escapades and frotting wildly and flinging faeces at each other in a sad attempt to get noticed by their so called peers too.

Basically if I think the mods are indulging trolls I just leave the site. That's basically why I left this one, because often the mods are trolls themselves. It's rather pathetic that people chose to employ trollish little infants as mods but what can you do? If you complain the forum suck ups just come out and start acting as colossal apologists while the trolls look on and laugh, moderators included in this case.

I'll tell you what you can do vote with your feet and just abandon the badly run sites, if you think the moderation staff are simply in the majority ignorant egotisitical little arrogant, wankers, who just abuse their consequence free powers then you don't have to post there. Simple.

Ok that's me done for ever. hehe. I only came over to celebrate the demise of philosophy forums-Nazi.Hitler.com

Ding dong the witch is dead. Permanently I hope. :)
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Re: Trolling

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Fri May 20, 2011 11:18 pm

Calrid wrote: It's rather pathetic that people chose to employ trollish little infants as mods but what can you do? If you complain the forum suck ups just come out and start acting as colossal apologists while the trolls look on and laugh, moderators included in this case.


I'm employed as a Moderator?

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Re: Trolling

Postby Liteninbolt » Sat May 21, 2011 12:58 am

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Re: Trolling

Postby xzc » Sat May 21, 2011 5:53 am

Like anything else, being good at trolling takes a lot of skill. Some say trolling is a art. Others will look at this post and try to see if I am trolling.

Personally, I appreciate a good troll more than most other art forms. Look at Mona Lisa. Booooooooring! What is she smiling at, do you think? Way to paint Michelangelo, but who gives a fuck! Seeing someone manipulate and emotionally compromise another with a few words, on the other hand: that's just magical. You need to have a keen and informed insight into the minds of the person you want to troll in order to be successful. Really, trolling is just emotional manipulation, and you only have words for it. As a word aficionado, I can appreciate a good troll.

Take this for instance...
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That, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion,
Make yourselves scabs?
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Re: Trolling

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 21, 2011 7:07 am

Are you trying to learn to become the perfect troll XZC? perhaps we should make a trolling competition, where the winner is the one who manages to pass their post off as on-topic :lol:
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Re: Trolling

Postby Calrid » Sat May 21, 2011 9:39 am

PavlovianModel146 wrote:
Calrid wrote: It's rather pathetic that people chose to employ trollish little infants as mods but what can you do? If you complain the forum suck ups just come out and start acting as colossal apologists while the trolls look on and laugh, moderators included in this case.


I'm employed as a Moderator?

Carleas, where my money!?


Oh shut up you prat.
“I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.”

Oscar Wilde - probably.
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